What does the Zorn hiring mean for Todd Collins?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by irish

Its never depth that the Skins develop. Thank God for TC last year because if Campbell had finished the year I doubt the Skins would have had 6 wins.

Campbell won 6 games as a starter, so even if the Skins had not made an improvement on defense (which has nothing to do with the QB), or offense (which is due to the QB), and lost their final three, then Campbell still won 6 games as a starter.

[celts32]

I like Simms but he's in the same stage of his career as JC and I think it would be counterproductive for both of them to be here competing for the same job. The last thing we need to give JC is a new offense and a QB controversy.

No way to Plummer regardless.

[ecupirate08]

Billy Volek has been consistaint and put up huge numbers at times when hes had the chance... No team has ever really given him a fair shake. He could be a sure number 2 in case something happens to JC.

[backrow]

Originally Posted by ecupirate08

Billy Volek has been consistaint and put up huge numbers at times when hes had the chance... No team has ever really given him a fair shake. He could be a sure number 2 in case something happens to JC.

Welcome to the Warpath, pirate! Arrrggh!

Volek has put up huge numbers, but has also put up bad numbers as well, so consistant is not his middle name.

As for Collins, WP has an article today about FA and who we go after and who's gone. Collins is as good as gone.

[skinzaholic73]

I think Collins is gone as well.Brunell might hang on for 1 more year.If not I say bring in Dilfer,Volek or Mckown.

[Schneed10]

I think it's a foregone conclusion that Collins will follow Saunders to St. Louis. He followed him from KC to Washington, I don't know why he wouldn't do it again. Saunders is his best chance for success.

Zorn was brought here with the mindset of developing Campbell. There's no questioning the organization's committment to him.

[OverseasSkinsfan]

I see Collins going to STL and my bet is Trent Dilfer will be the QB who comes in back up JC. TD is an UFA and a former pupil of Zorn. Most Wash Post articles on Jim Zorn's hiring contained one or two positive quotes from Trent Dilfer about what a great coach and leader Jim Z is, so Dilfer in Burgandy and Gold is a good bet. Not bad to have someone familiar with the WCO and who's a Super Bowl winning QB as your backup. He's also not a guy who will be itching to be the starter, but will be willing to serve as a mentor for JC. Strong man of faith too who would be a positive locker room influence!

[talk show host]

+1 about collins, Overseaskinsfan. He is too old to learn new tricks and I don't seem him anywhere other than where Al Saunders is. As far as Dilfer, I wouldnt mind him as a backup/mentor so much but I also would like to keep Brunell as a backup. He is a really humble guy and a good teacher - I see him as a QB coach some day. I don't see Zorn having more than one veteran QB on the roster though. So if we get Dilfer, then we can say bye bye to Markie-mark.

[OverseasSkinsfan]

Originally Posted by talk show host

+1 about collins, Overseaskinsfan. He is too old to learn new tricks and I don't seem him anywhere other than where Al Saunders is. As far as Dilfer, I wouldnt mind him as a backup/mentor so much but I also would like to keep Brunell as a backup. He is a really humble guy and a good teacher - I see him as a QB coach some day. I don't see Zorn having more than one veteran QB on the roster though. So if we get Dilfer, then we can say bye bye to Markie-mark.

Agreed, Brunell and Dilfer are similar and both would be good in the mentor / coach role. I think Dilfer brings years of working with JZ in Seatle though and that makes him the better option for the Skins now. Brunell would have to learn Zorn's system and then teach, whereas Tilfer's got Zorn down and can start mentoring JC from day one.

[MTK]

Dilfer would be a good #3 to help mentor JC but I wouldn't want him to see any playing time that's for sure.

[OverseasSkinsfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Dilfer would be a good #3 to help mentor JC but I wouldn't want him to see any playing time that's for sure.

Agreed! Who wants to go into a season wanting to see the backup get playing time? I think there's a good shot he's headed here for that backup role and if he has to play at least he knows the system already. The biggest UFA name with WCO experience is Garcia, but he's not leaving TB and it would freak JC out if he showed up, so Dilfer is a good option given his years with Zorn and positive locker room influence overall.

[Monkeydad]

Zorn will be the backup.

Seriously, I saw a clip of him on Sportsnite last night firing balls through into this net with holes for targets, he still has a cannon for an arm.

He was fielding punts pretty well too.






Seriously, Collins could be trusted for the OLD offense, not this one. I don't think he holds any value because the only reason he could play as well as he did late in the year is because he knew Saunders' playbook inside and out. Those days are gone.

I actually think Brunell could do better in a West Coast offense, for one more year. The offense will have a lot of short and quick passes...exactly what we (most of you) hated him for last time he played for us.

He did hold the record for consecutive passes completed for a while, with the short passes that a West Coast passing game consists of.

That said, we need to find a young backup that can stick around for a while, because whether it is Collins or Brunell who stays, we'll probably only get one or two more years from either of them.

Volek would be nice to get. I wouldn't be opposed to Tim Hasselbeck. We know his brother can play our offense if that counts for anything.

Derek Anderson is a free agent too, right? He can start somewhere though so he may not want to be our backup. You have to wonder what Cleveland is going to decide between Anderson, who looks GREAT, and the guy they invested so much in with Brady Quinn. Someday, they'll have to decide to stay with Anderson or finally use Quinn. After all of the hype, he won't stay around as #2 forever.

Maybe another possibility could be Charlie Frye. He wasn't THAT bad in Cleveland and was basically traded so Quinn wouldn't be third on the depth chart. He spent most of a season in Zorn's offense and wouldn't be too expensive to trade for.

[drew54]

Or we could draft someone like the Falcons did with Schaub. Could be a 2nd or thrid rounder. Maybe we start developing QB's and trading them away like Holmgren did with the Packers back in the day.

[FRPLG]

I'd say zero chance. Also I don't want him. He is beyond capable in Saunders' offense but there is a reason he was a backup for 10 years and it is because he doesn't have all the tools to do the job. He can make up for it with wit in Saunders' complicated system but put him in a West Coast Offense where scrambling can be very valued and he is simply not that good. I wish him well and would thank him up and down for all he did for us but I just don't think he'd be a quality backup in a WCO.

[skinsguy]

Zorn pretty much anointed Campbell the starter in his press conference (in so many words.) So, there won't be an open QB competition I'm pretty confident in that. With that said, there's a good chance Collins will stick around this coming season, but I would doubt anything past that.

Brunell is probably pretty much good as gone as well.