Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I agree he would have benefitted from a year as OC, and I thought the original signing as OC was a good one. Just sceptical about the HC spot.

Understood

You are absolutely right about the guy saying it was bad for us, but not for Baltimore. That is something I am not defending, just defending his comments about us.

Ok, and I'm saying his whole piece is indefensible because he's inconsistent

Well, I would agree with you here, but I am just not convinced that Blache can run the D like GW. GW was the the REAL DC, not Blache.

Fine, but Blache does have experience at that level. Plus, it has been noted (can probably look it up) that Blache's influence in simplifying the defense went a long way toward the unit rebounding this year off 2006

I am not completely agitated over that, but I feel you need experience when your HC has none. Hiring a D3 coach is not wise.

ps- Belichick was hired as a "special assistant" in Baltimore in 75, and served under MANY titles in his career, including: Assistant special teams coach, special teams coach, Wide receivers coach, tight ends coach, defensive assistant, linebackers coach, assistant head coach, defensive backs coach, and of course, DC for 6 years. He was in the NFL from 75-90 before getting a shot at head coaching in Cleveland. The reason he is so successful (minus the cheating) is because he's done it all.

They've got experience through several members of their coaching staff. I don't see why the concern about who the offensive assistant is. He's not being hired to be the offensive coordinator.

Ok, so he was "special assistant" The point was he got his start somewhere and he got it right out of college. As you say, he's done it all but at one point he was a nobody serving as an assistant

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

They've got experience through several members of their coaching staff. I don't see why the concern about who the offensive assistant is. He's not being hired to be the offensive coordinator.

Well, we seem to agree on most everything except these two things.
While he's not being hired as OC, what's the point of hiring a guy as a coach if it's a meaningless position? It was a poor choice to hire a D3 coach to help coach an offense when the HC has no experience. They should have gotten someone to be more of a consultant and help where Zorn lacks. Of course we will never speak of this again due to the fact that it's an obscure position.

Ok, so he was "special assistant" The point was he got his start somewhere and he got it right out of college. As you say, he's done it all but at one point he was a nobody serving as an assistant

A lot of people got spots out of college. Belichick got a lowly position as a special assistant, so I am unsure of your point. If it's to say that our lovely D3 coach got a job out of college as well...well that I am not arguing. What I am arguing is that Zorn has no experience so hire someone that does to help aid Zorn. That wasn't the case with Belichick...and had we still had Gibbs, I could care less about the chance we are taking on this guy. To be honest, I am more upset about Zorn than I am anything else. The other stuff is just adding insult to injury. If we hire an OC with no experience, then depending on his experience, I am really not going to be happy.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Well, we seem to agree on most everything except these two things.
While he's not being hired as OC, what's the point of hiring a guy as a coach if it's a meaningless position? It was a poor choice to hire a D3 coach to help coach an offense when the HC has no experience. They should have gotten someone to be more of a consultant and help where Zorn lacks. Of course we will never speak of this again due to the fact that it's an obscure position.



A lot of people got spots out of college. Belichick got a lowly position as a special assistant, so I am unsure of your point. If it's to say that our lovely D3 coach got a job out of college as well...well that I am not arguing. What I am arguing is that Zorn has no experience so hire someone that does to help aid Zorn. That wasn't the case with Belichick...and had we still had Gibbs, I could care less about the chance we are taking on this guy. To be honest, I am more upset about Zorn than I am anything else. The other stuff is just adding insult to injury. If we hire an OC with no experience, then depending on his experience, I am really not going to be happy.

Well, what sort of experience are you talking about? Head coaching experience? Ok, you've got Joe Bugel. NFL coaching experience? Bugel, Breaux, Simmons-just to name three. Not counting guys like Hixon, Mitchell, and Sherman Smith here.

Look, I know you're not one of those complain just to complain guys but the fuss over our offensive assistant strikes me as such

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, what sort of experience are you talking about? Head coaching experience? Ok, you've got Joe Bugel. NFL coaching experience? Bugel, Breaux, Simmons-just to name three. Not counting guys like Hixon, Mitchell, and Sherman Smith here.

Look, I know you're not one of those complain just to complain guys but the fuss over our offensive assistant strikes me as such

You make a good point about the others that have experience. And like I have said, I don't really have the problem with the signing of the offensive assistant position, just really scratching my head as to why hire anyone with no experience at even a d1 school to back up a guy that has never been an HC at ANY level. This is more about Zorn.
I am failing to see the point of that hire though. Like I have said, I am really more concerned about the Zorn hiring (HC, not OC). DO you really think Bugel / Breaux and Company can get Zorn up to speed and make him successful when we barely got to 9 wins with a hall of fame coach, an amazing DC and a once studly OC? I have concerns.
I have obviously made too many comments about our D3 coach hire, I don't mean to take away from my concerns about Zorn by making those comments.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

You make a good point about the others that have experience. And like I have said, I don't really have the problem with the signing of the offensive assistant position, just really scratching my head as to why hire anyone with no experience at even a d1 school to back up a guy that has never been an HC at ANY level. This is more about Zorn.
I am failing to see the point of that hire though. Like I have said, I am really more concerned about the Zorn hiring (HC, not OC). DO you really think Bugel / Breaux and Company can get Zorn up to speed and make him successful when we barely got to 9 wins with a hall of fame coach, an amazing DC and a once studly OC? I have concerns.
I have obviously made too many comments about our D3 coach hire, I don't mean to take away from my concerns about Zorn by making those comments.

I don't know how long it will take. But I think he has some solid coaches to help him through, and Holmgren's coaching tree is pretty solid overall and regardless of him not being a coordinator in Seattle the fact is that he was side by side with Holmgren for several years and certainly must have learned a lot from him.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't know how long it will take. But I think he has some solid coaches to help him through, and Holmgren's coaching tree is pretty solid overall and regardless of him not being a coordinator in Seattle the fact is that he was side by side with Holmgren for several years and certainly must have learned a lot from him.

This is not a shot just a question but How many super bowls have they won?

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by Giantone

This is not a shot just a question but How many super bowls have they won?

I think two right? Holmgren and Gruden with one each.

edit: oh you didn't mean the Holmgren tree, you meant the Seahawks? Sorry, it was the this is not a shot preface that threw me off.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't know how long it will take. But I think he has some solid coaches to help him through, and Holmgren's coaching tree is pretty solid overall and regardless of him not being a coordinator in Seattle the fact is that he was side by side with Holmgren for several years and certainly must have learned a lot from him.

That is what I am hoping for! That is likely what everyone is hoping for.