Loose Change

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

I'm a pretty skeptical person. One of those "believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see" kinda guys. I know its related to trust issues I have, so I have trouble swallowing any story.

I just don't make the connection between being skeptical and being disrespectful.

Well, to further SGG's point, honest skepticism is fine good and healthy. But, skepticism that refuses to relent can be disrespectful to the opposing view and to those that support it.

Question Authority. But if authority answers, do them the courtesy of listening. If you do not, then you are acting with the same arrogance towards authority and towards those that support the authority that you would assign to the authorities themselves.

The irrational skeptic is arrogant and disrespectful at heart - "I know you are lying, no matter what evidence exists. You can't fool me b/c I am, essentially, smarter than you."

In situations like 9/11, where first responders risked their lives, to continue to assert a conspiracy and to question the real cause of the act is to say to those who risked their lives - you were duped, you were played the fool, your "heroism" was nothing more than a show for others.

This was an act of war. Palestinians literally danced in the streets at the news and al-quieda has claimed, proudly, that it was their actions that did this. The first responders actions were not manipulated acts, but authentic acts of heroism.

Crap like "Loose Change" attempts to cheapen those facts by perverting the reality of the situation.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well, to further SGG's point, honest skepticism is fine good and healthy. But, skepticism that refuses to relent can be disrespectful to the opposing view and to those that support it.

Question Authority. But if authority answers, do them the courtesy of listening. If you do not, then you are acting with the same arrogance towards authority and towards those that support the authority that you would assign to the authorities themselves.

The irrational skeptic is arrogant and disrespectful at heart - "I know you are lying, no matter what evidence exists. You can't fool me b/c I am, essentially, smarter than you."

In situations like 9/11, where first responders risked their lives, to continue to assert a conspiracy and to question the real cause of the act is to say to those who risked their lives - you were duped, you were played the fool, your "heroism" was nothing more than a show for others.

This was an act of war. Palestinians literally danced in the streets at the news and al-quieda has claimed, proudly, that it was their actions that did this. The first responders actions were not manipulated acts, but authentic acts of heroism.

Crap like "Loose Change" attempts to cheapen those facts by perverting the reality of the situation.

Wow, that is a fantastic post Joeredskin. I would say I couldn't say it better myself, but I doubt I would have come anywhere close to that good a post. Great job.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

In situations like 9/11, where first responders risked their lives, to continue to assert a conspiracy and to question the real cause of the act is to say to those who risked their lives - you were duped, you were played the fool, your "heroism" was nothing more than a show for others.

I agree with everything in your statement, with this exception. No matter who was behind it or anyone's opinion of that, those guys would have been there doing their job. It wouldn't matter if it had been George Bush himself flying that plane, they would've been their saving lives and giving them as well. Maybe there are extreme radicals who will say their efforts were a waste, but any time anyone is put into a situation like that and risks and gives their lives in an attempt to save others... especailly knowingly, as happened on that day... the heroism cannot be argued, and I've never seen it as such.

I've listened to the 911 conspiracies. I know aq claimed responsibility and accept that as fact. However, how our govt responded to that, with the patriot act, the refusal to accept and acknowledge faultered security by this administration, and in fact to use that day of horror for political gain time and time again... especially in the justification of the Iraqi war... sickens me.

Kinda like how Toby Keith writes all these songs about patriotism and everyon admires him... he sells several million albums and all of his soldier and american themed songs hit #1... I guess the skeptic that I am is saddened by the thought of someone profiting so greatly from such tragedy. He may not have been anything to do with the cause, but the profitability has been great for him.