Loose Change

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Yeah, that was pretty nasty man. I can see why you deleted it.

Hey schneed, I don't "think" it works, it "does" work.
Just won $650 more 3 weeks ago. It's a "scientifical" fact.

No, it doesn't work. There's no such thing as a successful roullette system. It's a mathematical fact.

PS I'm not above descending into this argument again!

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

No, it doesn't work. There's no such thing as a successful roullette system. It's a mathematical fact.

PS I'm not above descending into this argument again!

LOL...there are other things in life besides statistical facts...even statistics tell you that.
The massive amount of winnings everyone has won off my system speaks all the proof it needs to speak. You don't have to beleive it, that's your right, just doesn't make it any less true and effective.

[SmootSmack]

Statistics are for losers. Forty percent of all people know that

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Statistics are for losers. Forty percent of all people know that

LOL! True.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by jsarno

LOL...there are other things in life besides statistical facts...even statistics tell you that.
The massive amount of winnings everyone has won off my system speaks all the proof it needs to speak. You don't have to beleive it, that's your right, just doesn't make it any less true and effective.

It can't be any less true and effective than it already is.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

It can't be any less true and effective than it already is.

LOL

The massive amount of winnings everyone has won off my system speaks all the proof it needs to speak.

nuff said.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

LOL...there are other things in life besides statistical facts...even statistics tell you that.
The massive amount of winnings everyone has won off my system speaks all the proof it needs to speak. You don't have to beleive it, that's your right, just doesn't make it any less true and effective.

Don't get caught in the "it worked before so it has to work in the future" vortex. That's where 90% of bad football analysis, and 100% of Vince Young's defenders come from.

There are some principles in your system, like moderation and the law of averages that affect how people will make and lose money, and if they are smart enough to realize that you can "quit while you are ahead".

None of that changes the fact that you can't alter statistical probabilities, your system is basically just trying to maximize the value of good luck--which can't succeed unless the player is aware of the statistical improbability that the luck run will continue.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Don't get caught in the "it worked before so it has to work in the future" vortex. That's where 90% of bad football analysis, and 100% of Vince Young's defenders come from.

1 problem with that analysis is that football changes daily, and especially yearly, so in that context, you are correct. When you are speaking of something that does not change, then there is no reason to think it won't work in the future.

There are some principles in your system, like moderation and the law of averages that affect how people will make and lose money, and if they are smart enough to realize that you can "quit while you are ahead".

That is most certainly part of my system.

None of that changes the fact that you can't alter statistical probabilities, your system is basically just trying to maximize the value of good luck--which can't succeed unless the player is aware of the statistical improbability that the luck run will continue.

My system is based on stastical probability. Like after black has hit 3 times in a row, it is statistically higher than 50/50 that red will hit. The only way to figure this out is to do a study of how often all those numbers / colors etc hit...I did a study of well over 10000 rolls. My statistics are accurate, and have proven to be so with winnings. It's clear as day. The winnings don't lie. Of course this could be a massive discussion yet again, and it will end with someone getting annoyed cause both sides won't budge...that's cool. Whoever disagrees can continue to do so and never win a thing. I will continue to beleive in my system and continue to reap the rewards. Approximately 13k in winnings in 4 years speaks for itself. I hold no hard feelings for those that don't beleive in the system. I have fact backing me up, so of course I will see the fact and the rewards and of course beleive in those. I can't expect skeptics to beleive when they have never seen it first hand, nor seen the actual statistical proof. It's not like if you don't beleive in Santa, he won't show up. You can not beleive all you want, and I will continue to win, and continue to win money for others as well. I guarentee you those that I have shown are 100% beleivers. That's all that really matters.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by jsarno

1 problem with that analysis is that football changes daily, and especially yearly, so in that context, you are correct. When you are speaking of something that does not change, then there is no reason to think it won't work in the future.



That is most certainly part of my system.



My system is based on stastical probability. Like after black has hit 3 times in a row, it is statistically higher than 50/50 that red will hit. The only way to figure this out is to do a study of how often all those numbers / colors etc hit...I did a study of well over 10000 rolls. My statistics are accurate, and have proven to be so with winnings. It's clear as day. The winnings don't lie. Of course this could be a massive discussion yet again, and it will end with someone getting annoyed cause both sides won't budge...that's cool. Whoever disagrees can continue to do so and never win a thing. I will continue to beleive in my system and continue to reap the rewards. Approximately 13k in winnings in 4 years speaks for itself. I hold no hard feelings for those that don't beleive in the system. I have fact backing me up, so of course I will see the fact and the rewards and of course beleive in those. I can't expect skeptics to beleive when they have never seen it first hand, nor seen the actual statistical proof. It's not like if you don't beleive in Santa, he won't show up. You can not beleive all you want, and I will continue to win, and continue to win money for others as well. I guarentee you those that I have shown are 100% beleivers. That's all that really matters.

Wow. That's more scientifical info than I needed.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by jsarno

My system is based on stastical probability. Like after black has hit 3 times in a row, it is statistically higher than 50/50 that red will hit.

OMG it is not. You 100% factually wrong. That is not an opinion. It is fact. Given two outcomes on any one roll it is 50/50 EVRY TIME. No matter what.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by jsarno

My system is based on stastical probability. Like after black has hit 3 times in a row, it is statistically higher than 50/50 that red will hit. The only way to figure this out is to do a study of how often all those numbers / colors etc hit...I did a study of well over 10000 rolls. My statistics are accurate, and have proven to be so with winnings. It's clear as day. The winnings don't lie.

OK, so you studied 10,000 rolls and what were your conclusions? If it was anything other than all numbers have an equal chance of hitting at all times then I am going to have to join in the chorus questioning both your methodology and your sanity.

Anyway J, don't tell too many people about this. I enjoy Vegas and I don't want the town going out of business.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

OK, so you studied 10,000 rolls and what were your conclusions? If it was anything other than all numbers have an equal chance of hitting at all times then I am going to have to join in the chorus questioning both your methodology and your sanity.

Anyway J, don't tell too many people about this. I enjoy Vegas and I don't want the town going out of business.

Honestly, it's a lot of pages worth of studies, I have a long book written on it. I haven't even scratched the surface of describing the method here. There was a thread here a LONG time ago that explained it a little, and some here even PMed me to thank me for helping them win money. Of course there were others that just went ahead and insulted me due to their own fears and fart sniffing. It's all good.
Vegas wouldn't go out of business cause of my book, you don't bet enough money to win enough money to break vegas. You have to start small...$5 max in each section, then go from there.
What I find most amusing is the amount of people that are willing to try and be successful, and the amount of people that would rather not bother and persecute those that do. When you sit back and watch how people react, it's quite interesting. The same people tell you "Mari-ju-wana is bad mmm kay", and yet they haven't tried it...the same people that tell you not to open up and try and they are content to sit on the sidelines and watch life.

Regardless, if you are content knowing only what you know, how will you ever learn anything new? (be warned that some here think they know everything)

ps- if you beleive in the ideal of carma, than understanding other things are possible becomes a lot easier.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Honestly, it's a lot of pages worth of studies, I have a long book written on it. I haven't even scratched the surface of describing the method here. There was a thread here a LONG time ago that explained it a little, and some here even PMed me to thank me for helping them win money. Of course there were others that just went ahead and insulted me due to their own fears and fart sniffing. It's all good.
Vegas wouldn't go out of business cause of my book, you don't bet enough money to win enough money to break vegas. You have to start small...$5 max in each section, then go from there.
[B]What I find most amusing is the amount of people that are willing to try and be successful, and the amount of people that would rather not bother and persecute those that do. When you sit back and watch how people react, it's quite interesting. The same people tell you "Mari-ju-wana is bad mmm kay", and yet they haven't tried it...the same people that tell you not to open up and try and they are content to sit on the sidelines and watch life.

Regardless, if you are content knowing only what you know, how will you ever learn anything new? (be warned that some here think they know everything)

ps- if you beleive in the ideal of carma, than understanding other things are possible becomes a lot easier[/B].

Well I don't know about other people, but I for one have trouble rejecting stastical laws because you claim your buddies have won a lot of money. Sorry that I'm not willing to take you on your word on this as of yet, but the only specific information that you have offered - that the past impacts the present in measurable statistical terms - is quite ludicrous. This isn't me persecuting you or hating on your success, that's just the way it is. I'd love to hear more about the theory before I unfairly dismiss it, but you have only offered two pieces of info (3 reds increases the chance of black and it has worked for my buddies, trust me!). I know you aren't trying to convert me or anyone else here but I would like some more info just for the sake of discussion.

As for Karma, I would like to believe in it but I would certainly reject any statistical analysis that incorporates it as a factor.