Which Current NFL Receiver Is Best for Us?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't know it was there.
How did you come up with that figure on ARE then? Did you add this year's cap hit with next?
Also, how did you know what his cap hit would be if we straight cut him?

What would Lloyd's hit be if we cut / trade him?

(not understanding how you're getting those figures.)

At the bottom of the link you will see "Release Fees". Click on that tab and you will see the player's salary and release fee. If a player is released or traded the cap for that year will be hit with the "Release Fee", but the player's salary is then off the cap. So for ARE you wind up with $ 6.1M in dead-cap. Sometimes you have the June 1 cuts which I believe are allowed to be spread over two cap seasons, but the total Release Fee amount must be accounted for.

Lloyd's release fee is $ 7.1M, his salary is $ 4.2M, dead cap will be $ 2.9M, much more manageable, especially when he was completely non-productive.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

At the bottom of the link you will see "Release Fees". Click on that tab and you will see the player's salary and release fee. If a player is released or traded the cap for that year will be hit with the "Release Fee", but the player's salary is then off the cap. So for ARE you wind up with $ 6.1M in dead-cap. Sometimes you have the June 1 cuts which I believe are allowed to be spread over two cap seasons, but the total Release Fee amount must be accounted for.

Lloyd's release fee is $ 7.1M, his salary is $ 4.2M, dead cap will be $ 2.9M, much more manageable, especially when he was completely non-productive.

OK, thanks...I think I get it now. I didn't even see those tabs the first time, I appreciate you pointing it out. I do have a couple questions:

I if they get traded does the same release fee apply???

I am also curious as to how it works for those with a smaller release fee than salary...does that mean we get that many back towards the cap?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I if they get traded does the same release fee apply???

I am also curious as to how it works for those with a smaller release fee than salary...does that mean we get that many back towards the cap?

1) Yes

2) Yes, for example if Phillip Daniels was released there would be a charge of $ 770K, but his salary of $ 3.7M would come off the books. A net cap savings of about $ 3M.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

1) Yes

Well, that sucks. LOL.

2) Yes, for example if Phillip Daniels was released there would be a charge of $ 770K, but his salary of $ 3.7M would come off the books. A net cap savings of about $ 3M.

WOW...so why haven't we dropped Brunell? That would save us 3.4 mil.
For that matter, why not Daniels too? Between the two that would save us 6.387 mil for dead weight!

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Well, that sucks. LOL.



WOW...so why haven't we dropped Brunell? That would save us 3.4 mil.
For that matter, why not Daniels too? Between the two that would save us 6.387 mil for dead weight!

The team may be waiting until after FA and the draft to make sure we have Collins signed and other backup QBs under contract. Also if they want to defer the Release Fee over two seasons and help the cap a little more in 2008 they will wait until after June 1 to release Brunell. I wouldn't drop Daniels yet, depth on the DL is a major concern, Daniels is a veteran and understands Blache's system and can mentor the new young DLineman (from the draft hopefully). $ 3.7M is not a ridiculous cap number for a starting DLineman. Daniels is solid, he is not a liability.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

The team may be waiting until after FA and the draft to make sure we have Collins signed and other backup QBs under contract. Also if they want to defer the Release Fee over two seasons and help the cap a little more in 2008 they will wait until after June 1 to release Brunell. I wouldn't drop Daniels yet, depth on the DL is a major concern, Daniels is a veteran and understands Blache's system and can mentor the new young DLineman (from the draft hopefully). $ 3.7M is not a ridiculous cap number for a starting DLineman. Daniels is solid, he is not a liability.

Thanks for your patience with helping me understand the cap more.
I hope that is the case and not that we are wanting to keep Brunell. He has nothing over a rookie at this point IMO. I'd rather take a chance on a QB out of the draft than keep him around with that horrendous salary.
About Daniels, I agree that 3.7 mil is not much for a dlineman, and his 2.0 mil cap number for 2009 is pretty easy to swallow too, but I do not agree he's solid. I thought he played poorly this year. DE is my #1 priority (again) this year with our first pick. So the question is, Is Daniels worth 3.7 mil as a back up? (although I understand the importance of waiting until the draft to be sure)

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Thanks for your patience with helping me understand the cap more.
I hope that is the case and not that we are wanting to keep Brunell. He has nothing over a rookie at this point IMO. I'd rather take a chance on a QB out of the draft than keep him around with that horrendous salary.
About Daniels, I agree that 3.7 mil is not much for a dlineman, and his 2.0 mil cap number for 2009 is pretty easy to swallow too, but I do not agree he's solid. I thought he played poorly this year. DE is my #1 priority (again) this year with our first pick. So the question is, Is Daniels worth 3.7 mil as a back up? (although I understand the importance of waiting until the draft to be sure)

No worries, glad to help. Schneed and Canuck are really the experts at this stuff, if you search their posts you can usually find the answers to most cap questions.

I agree with you on DE being our #1 priority in the draft. I like Calais Campbell or Merrling from Clemson with our 21st pick. If both are gone then we look to CB or DT.