Jon Jansen Restructures

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Can someone explain this better, that understands it. The way I understand it is Jansen just got several million dollars guarenteed, that will be spread out over the remaining life of his contract. Making his cap number huge next year and the subsequent years. Is that correct or did he say, my play has not been that great and I was injured, so for the good of the team I will give up millions?

You're asking about a paycut in the bolded piece. To my knowledge, he did not take a paycut.

By my math, this restructure should have increased his 2009 cap figure by about $1.0 million or so.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

You're asking about a paycut in the bolded piece. To my knowledge, he did not take a paycut.

By my math, this restructure should have increased his 2009 cap figure by about $1.0 million or so.

Well if thats the case that is not bad, but he should take a paycut.

[mike340]

...and what will happen if they re-sign the player with the best punt return average (~35) in the NFL this year? (James Thrash.) (He didn't make it onto some lists, but he did on others.)

[GTripp0012]

I think we can expect Portis, Betts, and Samuels soon, and we'll be working with 6 million dollars under in free agency.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Looks like he's agreed to the vet min

Seriously though, according to this he's restructured his 2008 salary down from around $5 million to $730,000

NFL Players Association - Resources - Active Player Search

Haven't really had a chance to look at the overall cap ramifications. I'll leave that to the brainiacs

Outstanding! I was thinking we would have to cut him due to his high salary. I am quite pleased he chose to restructure. Just another reason we should keep this guy around. When healthy he's a top tackle.

[CrazyCanuck]

Love this time of year.

I'll do another cap sheet update tonight as well as the long awaited Cap 101 thread.

Thanks again to Schneed for all his work.

[ronnieo]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Love this time of year.

I'll do another cap sheet update tonight as well as the long awaited Cap 101 thread.

Thanks again to Schneed for all his work.

So if we're 6 million under the cap, is that enough to go after Briggs and say Williams and some needed depth?

[CrazyCanuck]

I just did an update.

- Jansen's restucture was a basic salary ($4.25M) to signing bonus move. It saved us $3.2M on the 2008 cap as Schneed predicted.

- Cooley's numbers didn't change on my sheet with his "restructure". The $11M roster bonus never made any sense, I'm quite sure it was guaranteed all along.

- The Red Snapper signed for the vet min. He'll make $830K salary plus a $40K signing bonus. Because of the vet min exemption he will count $485K against our 2008 cap.

Right now I have us at $5.8M over the cap, but Brunell's imminent release will save us $3.5M, bringing us to $2.3M over. I still have Rock on my sheets too but if he leaves it will only save us $230K against the cap.

[Dirtbag59]

I always wondered if a $1 of signing bonus counted less against the salary cap then a $1 of base salary or do players just consider a $1 of signing bonus more valuable then a $5 of base salary. Anyway looks like we're 107k over the cap.

[SpeedyDuncan]

I'm a fan of Jon Jansen. He had two freak injuries at the beginning of two seasons. He played with two broken thumbs. He's a tough S.O.B.

Admit it, some of you guys stayed in bed on a Sunday, feeling Saturday's hangover, while this guy was kicking somebody's butt.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I always wondered if a $1 of signing bonus counted less against the salary cap then a $1 of base salary or do players just consider a $1 of signing bonus more valuable then a $5 of base salary. Anyway looks like we're 107k over the cap.

well, if you get hurt, you can lose your base salary, but not the bonus money that's upfront.

on a one year deal, it doesn't matter (SB vs base) as long as you don't get cut midseason.

over 5 seasons, the 1$ sb counts 20 cents each year (but the player gets it all immediately), whereas his base of $5 per season is paid over the season per game that he remains on the team's roster.

lloyd got 10$mill in bonus, so even though he sucks, he's still made a TON of money, and we haven't been able to cut him because of the huge cap hit (10mill over 5-6 years isn't a big deal, but cutting him after one season makes the hit 8$mill just to throw him away or 3mill to keep him... that's the really bad part of high bonus contracts. mistakes are huge and you've got to hit much more than 50% to not hurt your team... lloyd/arch are part of the reason we might not be able to get a guy like briggs or CJ, who would actually help the team get better).

of course briggs or CJ might not be the best way to maximize price/performance under the cap or total starter talent under the cap, but it's just an example.

[That Guy]

albright is just a 450k hit, and right now the top 51 doesn't matter, because i don't believe we have 51 guys with all the free agents.

[dmek25]

any chance of Lloyd sticking around with a new coach? i would like to see the skins try one more season with him, because i have to think someone in the front office knew something when they signed him

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i have to think someone in the front office knew something when they signed him

Though this string of logic is usually a safe bet, I think if anyone in the organization had known anything about Lloyd, they wouldn't have made the trade. It made so little sense on so very many levels.

[skinsnut]

Well, it looks like 3 more years of Jansen.

I know some of you were saying Jansen was starting to lose his skills in preseason and said Wade could possibly replace him, then it was Heyer.

Well....there are a couple points.
Yes, he showed a little decline, but I think that was due to his injury.

A guy of his character may actually get heavily motivated by all this talk...and though he had a couple injuries....as weird as this may sound....he may lengthen his career.
He did not have wear and tear for 2 years now and that is a good thing.
Assuming he can strengthen his "injured parts", I am now starting to believe that Jansen will be back to his old self doing fine for up to 5 years.

I say....great restruture!