giants trying to trade 31st pick for cb hall

[QBall]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I wouldn't be opposed to getting D. Hall but if we're trading that #1 pick for anyone, it better be Fitzgerald, Ocho or Roy Williams.. WR is a bigger need than CB.

Are you sure? Rogers out. Springs good but older. Smoot solid but not a shutdown # 1 corner IMO.

We have Moss and Randle El that are in the prime of their careers.

I think we do need a WR but not sure if I'd be so quick to trade away picks for one. Larry Fitzgerald would be awesome in Washington but that's not our biggest need. Add Cooley to the passing mix and there's not enough balls for another stud wide-out with a huge monster contract and losing a pick. We run the hell out of the ball so think we need to stack up on defense.

[tdSKINS1]

I am a Hokie fan too and yep he might have had some problems in the locker, but watching him for a long time the man is a beast. The man can flat out fly, and Tech would have won the ACC with him the next year if he stayed anyway. I would take him on our team, he can cover, he's fast as hell and is very physical.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by QBall

Are you sure? Rogers out. Springs good but older. Smoot solid but not a shutdown # 1 corner IMO.

We have Moss and Randle El that are in the prime of their careers.

I think we do need a WR but not sure if I'd be so quick to trade away picks for one. Larry Fitzgerald would be awesome in Washington but that's not our biggest need. Add Cooley to the passing mix and there's not enough balls for another stud wide-out with a huge monster contract and losing a pick. We run the hell out of the ball so think we need to stack up on defense.

Rogers out but will be back by midseason, I agree on Springs and Smoot but I really don't think CB is such a drastic need that we have to give up our #1 pick for another corner. Just in the division, our CB are better than Dallas or NYG and how did their seasons turn out?

Moss and Randle El are decent #1 & #2 WR but would be excellent #2 and #3 WR.. Cooley's effectiveness will only increase with a stud WR..

Zorn isn't Gibbs who was going to try to pound the ball with super jumbo packages in the 2nd quarter on 2nd and 7 from the 45 yard line. We're going to see more 4-5 WR (including Cooley and Portis split out wide) sets than we've ever seen before and we need a stud who defenses have to account for on every play to open things up.

[SFREDSKIN]

I would stay away from him, he's a punk! Talent he has, class he doesn't.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I would stay away from him, he's a punk! Talent he has, class he doesn't.

And you know that how?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by firstdown

And you know that how?

Here you go and by the way anyone that supports an animal abuser like Michael Vick is no good.

Falcons Burned by Another Virginia Tech Player

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Here you go and by the way anyone that supports an animal abuser like Michael Vick is no good.

Falcons Burned by Another Virginia Tech Player

So now if a guy losses it in a game or on the field because he is fustrated playing for such a bad team he becomes a punk? What he did was wrong but its not like he has a history of blowing up on the field. I can fully understand a player getting fustrated playing for a bad team and the ones that don't get fustrated concern me more. As for backing Vick. He has played football with Vick for a very long time (like 6 or 7 years) Vick is his friend and some people do not think dog fighting is all that wrong. I think its very wrong and Vick got what he deserved but other people grow up around this type of stuff and don't think twice about what they are doing. Heck even Clinton Portis took up for Vick until he found out that was not a smart thing to do and I think CP is a pretty good guy.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So now if a guy losses it in a game or on the field because he is fustrated playing for such a bad team he becomes a punk? What he did was wrong but its not like he has a history of blowing up on the field. I can fully understand a player getting fustrated playing for a bad team and the ones that don't get fustrated concern me more. As for backing Vick. He has played football with Vick for a very long time (like 6 or 7 years) Vick is his friend and some people do not think dog fighting is all that wrong. I think its very wrong and Vick got what he deserved but other people grow up around this type of stuff and don't think twice about what they are doing. Heck even Clinton Portis took up for Vick until he found out that was not a smart thing to do and I think CP is a pretty good guy.

Ironically, I agree w/your points here; a bad day in which a guy loses his cool can be excused. And supporting Vick isn't any big deal IMO, unless of course you say there's nothing wrong w/what Vick did (good point about CP's reaction when it went down). Hall wasn't the only player that did so & it was basically a symbolic show of frienship, not a pro dogfighting endorsement.

However, I think Hall has more skeletons in the closet than this 1 game. Word around VT was that he was a bad influence on that team, very selfish & unpopular among teamates. I'm just going on heresy, but since he's been in Atl. his rep. hasn't improved. Did he ever own up to the penalties in the carolina game?

Of course as fans we usually don't know any more than what we can get on tv, but based on that & his history, he's at least earned some skepticism.

[QBall]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Rogers out but will be back by midseason, I agree on Springs and Smoot but I really don't think CB is such a drastic need that we have to give up our #1 pick for another corner. Just in the division, our CB are better than Dallas or NYG and how did their seasons turn out?

Moss and Randle El are decent #1 & #2 WR but would be excellent #2 and #3 WR.. Cooley's effectiveness will only increase with a stud WR..

Zorn isn't Gibbs who was going to try to pound the ball with super jumbo packages in the 2nd quarter on 2nd and 7 from the 45 yard line. We're going to see more 4-5 WR (including Cooley and Portis split out wide) sets than we've ever seen before and we need a stud who defenses have to account for on every play to open things up.

I don't agree with your take on Zorn's offense. Not going to have many 4 or 5 wideout sets. Zorn has already stated his desire to keep Redskins running attack a priority. Sure we'll throw a bit more but we don't have the personel for 5 wideouts so why go there? Not going to happen. Gibbs didn't call plays the past two seasons anyway. Yes, he did influence Al but we didn't just pound the ball at all the past two years. Yes when Portis went down in 06' we ran more b/c we sucked balls and lost every game. Last year we had a mix. I would pick first a defensive lineman and next a corner, just me.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by QBall

I don't agree with your take on Zorn's offense. Not going to have many 4 or 5 wideout sets. Zorn has already stated his desire to keep Redskins running attack a priority. Sure we'll throw a bit more but we don't have the personel for 5 wideouts so why go there? Not going to happen. Gibbs didn't call plays the past two seasons anyway. Yes, he did influence Al but we didn't just pound the ball at all the past two years. Yes when Portis went down in 06' we ran more b/c we sucked balls and lost every game. Last year we had a mix. I would pick first a defensive lineman and next a corner, just me.

I agree DL and CB are positions of need, but if we are going to trade the #1 pick I would rather do it for a stud WR than a CB, that's all I am saying.

It's not going to be Spurrier 2.0 with us going 5 wide every play, but if you watched any of Seattle's games, they went 3 and 4 wide often and ran out of those sets. We will go 5 wide when the opportunity presents. Just because we didn't do it last year, doesn't mean we won't have the personnel to do it this year.

When we were going 3 TE, 1 WR, we didn't need a stud WR to draw additional coverage, but if we have a Fitz, Ocho or Williams on one side, Moss on the other, the safeties are going to have to account for them.. What does that do? Open up more running lanes for Portis. Adding a stud WR helps the running game just as much as the passing game. It doesn't equate to Mike Martz throwing the ball 60 times a game.

I expect our offense to look more like Andy Reid/Mike Holmgren than anything we've seen from Redskins teams of the past.

[QBall]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I agree DL and CB are positions of need, but if we are going to trade the #1 pick I would rather do it for a stud WR than a CB, that's all I am saying.

It's not going to be Spurrier 2.0 with us going 5 wide every play, but if you watched any of Seattle's games, they went 3 and 4 wide often and ran out of those sets. We will go 5 wide when the opportunity presents. Just because we didn't do it last year, doesn't mean we won't have the personnel to do it this year.

When we were going 3 TE, 1 WR, we didn't need a stud WR to draw additional coverage, but if we have a Fitz, Ocho or Williams on one side, Moss on the other, the safeties are going to have to account for them.. What does that do? Open up more running lanes for Portis. Adding a stud WR helps the running game just as much as the passing game. It doesn't equate to Mike Martz throwing the ball 60 times a game.

I expect our offense to look more like Andy Reid/Mike Holmgren than anything we've seen from Redskins teams of the past.

I never said trade out pick for anyone. Don't think we should for WR or CB. Even if we picked WR first and CB or Line second that wouldn't be the worst case. Might turn out that at 21 highest rated need player on board is WR with all the focus on line lately.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by QBall

I never said trade out pick for anyone. Don't think we should for WR or CB. Even if we picked WR first and CB or Line second that wouldn't be the worst case. Might turn out that at 21 highest rated need player on board is WR with all the focus on line lately.

That was the point of the entire thread, whether we should trade the pick for D. Hall. My assertion was IF we traded the pick it should go for a WR rather than a CB.

[QBall]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

That was the point of the entire thread, whether we should trade the pick for D. Hall. My assertion was IF we traded the pick it should go for a WR rather than a CB.

I said no. Go through Draft. You made comments about the offense that I disagree with also. We're still going to run allot more than you think. I guess lets just wait and see. Wanna bet me?

I say we run 40-45% in 08'. 100 bucks.