giants trying to trade 31st pick for cb hall

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by QBall

I don't agree with your take on Zorn's offense. Not going to have many 4 or 5 wideout sets. Zorn has already stated his desire to keep Redskins running attack a priority. Sure we'll throw a bit more but we don't have the personel for 5 wideouts so why go there? Not going to happen. Gibbs didn't call plays the past two seasons anyway. Yes, he did influence Al but we didn't just pound the ball at all the past two years. Yes when Portis went down in 06' we ran more b/c we sucked balls and lost every game. Last year we had a mix. I would pick first a defensive lineman and next a corner, just me.

I agree DL and CB are positions of need, but if we are going to trade the #1 pick I would rather do it for a stud WR than a CB, that's all I am saying.

It's not going to be Spurrier 2.0 with us going 5 wide every play, but if you watched any of Seattle's games, they went 3 and 4 wide often and ran out of those sets. We will go 5 wide when the opportunity presents. Just because we didn't do it last year, doesn't mean we won't have the personnel to do it this year.

When we were going 3 TE, 1 WR, we didn't need a stud WR to draw additional coverage, but if we have a Fitz, Ocho or Williams on one side, Moss on the other, the safeties are going to have to account for them.. What does that do? Open up more running lanes for Portis. Adding a stud WR helps the running game just as much as the passing game. It doesn't equate to Mike Martz throwing the ball 60 times a game.

I expect our offense to look more like Andy Reid/Mike Holmgren than anything we've seen from Redskins teams of the past.

[QBall]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I agree DL and CB are positions of need, but if we are going to trade the #1 pick I would rather do it for a stud WR than a CB, that's all I am saying.

It's not going to be Spurrier 2.0 with us going 5 wide every play, but if you watched any of Seattle's games, they went 3 and 4 wide often and ran out of those sets. We will go 5 wide when the opportunity presents. Just because we didn't do it last year, doesn't mean we won't have the personnel to do it this year.

When we were going 3 TE, 1 WR, we didn't need a stud WR to draw additional coverage, but if we have a Fitz, Ocho or Williams on one side, Moss on the other, the safeties are going to have to account for them.. What does that do? Open up more running lanes for Portis. Adding a stud WR helps the running game just as much as the passing game. It doesn't equate to Mike Martz throwing the ball 60 times a game.

I expect our offense to look more like Andy Reid/Mike Holmgren than anything we've seen from Redskins teams of the past.

I never said trade out pick for anyone. Don't think we should for WR or CB. Even if we picked WR first and CB or Line second that wouldn't be the worst case. Might turn out that at 21 highest rated need player on board is WR with all the focus on line lately.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by QBall

I never said trade out pick for anyone. Don't think we should for WR or CB. Even if we picked WR first and CB or Line second that wouldn't be the worst case. Might turn out that at 21 highest rated need player on board is WR with all the focus on line lately.

That was the point of the entire thread, whether we should trade the pick for D. Hall. My assertion was IF we traded the pick it should go for a WR rather than a CB.

[QBall]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

That was the point of the entire thread, whether we should trade the pick for D. Hall. My assertion was IF we traded the pick it should go for a WR rather than a CB.

I said no. Go through Draft. You made comments about the offense that I disagree with also. We're still going to run allot more than you think. I guess lets just wait and see. Wanna bet me?

I say we run 40-45% in 08'. 100 bucks.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by QBall

I said no. Go through Draft. You made comments about the offense that I disagree with also. We're still going to run allot more than you think. I guess lets just wait and see. Wanna bet me?

I say we run 40-45% in 08'. 100 bucks.

I agree we'll run 40-45%.. I stressed I didn't think we're going to be like Martz throwing the rock 60 times a game.. Like I said, 3 & 4 WR will help the running game also.

I don't think we are going to see the same type of running game we saw in the past. We're not going to see Lorenzo Alexander (or anyone else for that matter) going in motion as a 3rd TE next year.. We're not going to see super jumbo sets at midfield next year.

We're going to see 4 WR, singleback sets, we're going to see a pro set with FB and HB lined up next to each other, we're going to see 3 WR and an I-formation..

If you go back and watch the Washington/Seattle playoff game (as I have since Zorn was hired) the difference in offensive SETS is huge. We were 2 or 3 TE for probably 60% of the game. They were 3 wide, 4 wide (and running the ball from those sets) for 70% of the game.. We will look drastically different in '08.

[QBall]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I agree we'll run 40-45%.. I stressed I didn't think we're going to be like Martz throwing the rock 60 times a game.. Like I said, 3 & 4 WR will help the running game also.

I don't think we are going to see the same type of running game we saw in the past. We're not going to see Lorenzo Alexander (or anyone else for that matter) going in motion as a 3rd TE next year.. We're not going to see super jumbo sets at midfield next year.

We're going to see 4 WR, singleback sets, we're going to see a pro set with FB and HB lined up next to each other, we're going to see 3 WR and an I-formation..

If you go back and watch the Washington/Seattle playoff game (as I have since Zorn was hired) the difference in offensive SETS is huge. We were 2 or 3 TE for probably 60% of the game. They were 3 wide, 4 wide (and running the ball from those sets) for 70% of the game.. We will look drastically different in '08.

Ok I agree with some points. Be careful to not only judge the playoff game against us. That may have been a matchup they were trying to exploit. Look at what happened in NE when teams spread us out. Hawks should have put us away in first half, we were off balance on both sides.

That's why a CB may be such a high priority!

I feel if Jason Campbell was our QB in that game our offense would have looked better, his quickness and scrabble will be key.

Our Offensive Coordinator from Titans and has been there for 13 years. I think our offense going to look more like Titans West Coast than Seattle.

And that is not DRASTICALLY different from what Gibbs ran.