The Redskins' new approach to free agency

[SmootSmack]

Never mind going after other free agents, there are several of our own free agents I'd like to re-sign. Actually, just Reche Caldwell. The others I don't think are a huge priority.

[Paintrain]

While I'm happy that we're not out spending dumb doo doo dollars on everyone out there, I still think we have some legitimate needs (CB, DL, WR) that need to be addressed and we could be missing out. I'm disappointed we weren't in the mix for the DT from Green Bay, Corey Williams or Randall Gay from NE.. I hope we don't hope that we're going to find all of the pieces we need in the draft. Bringing in Hackett or Bryant Johnson is a must IMO since we didn't pick up Ernest Wilford.

[prinzeofmoval]

im against it this year..normally we go off spending too much money on OLDER over the hill players..but this year there was a fresh crop of good talent and i think we're taking a backseat so we won't be the "oh there goes the redskins spending again cliche"..bad move..sign good players and we'll be okay

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

im against it this year..normally we go off spending too much money on OLDER over the hill players..but this year there was a fresh crop of good talent and i think we're taking a backseat so we won't be the "oh there goes the redskins spending again cliche"..bad move..sign good players and we'll be okay

w/all due respect, it sounds as if your still stuck on the 2000 signings of Deion, Carrier, B. smith, etc.

Since then, what "over the hill" players have the Skins signed for big $? We've brought in some old vets at low prices, e.g. Godfrey, Fabini & Wade, but look at all the others we've signed, they're all under 30 & in their prime:

Coles, ARE, Loyd (no prime for this guy though, lol), Carter, Washington, Springs, Griffin, even Arch.

The only over 30 players we gave considerable $ to since 01 that I can think of are Phillip Daniels & Brunell, both aren't stars but IMO have been good contributors. Of courese more recently Collins, but we know he's got value for us.

[prinzeofmoval]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

w/all due respect, it sounds as if your still stuck on the 2000 signings of Deion, Carrier, B. smith, etc.

Since then, what "over the hill" players have the Skins signed for big $? We've brought in some old vets at low prices, e.g. Godfrey, Fabini & Wade, but look at all the others we've signed, they're all under 30 & in their prime:

Coles, ARE, Loyd (no prime for this guy though, lol), Carter, Washington, Springs, Griffin, even Arch.

The only over 30 players we gave considerable $ to since 01 that I can think of are Phillip Daniels & Brunell, both aren't stars but IMO have been good contributors. Of courese more recently Collins, but we know he's got value for us.

i'm more concerned about dropping the ball on good talent..in my eyes the best pick-up trade or FA is clinton portis and springs..Carter had a good season but lets call a spade a spade.Arch,Lloyd and even Brunell(in my eyes cost us more games then won)are noteable bad choices. I'm just saying if there was a time to spend its now.

[QBall]

Michael Turner got:

The deal is worth $34.5 million with approximately $15 million guaranteed, sources told ESPN.com's Michael Smith.

He's never had more than 500 yards rushing in one season. Vinny and Co. are looking very good right now. These prices are insane!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by QBall

Michael Turner got:

The deal is worth $34.5 million with approximately $15 million guaranteed, sources told ESPN.com's Michael Smith.

He's never had more than 500 yards rushing in one season. Vinny and Co. are looking very good right now. These prices are insane!

Well look who he has been stuck behind his entire career. When he has seen the field he is averaging 5.5 yards per carry. I'd say the deal is high but it could be a steel if he works out.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by QBall

Michael Turner got:

The deal is worth $34.5 million with approximately $15 million guaranteed, sources told ESPN.com's Michael Smith.

He's never had more than 500 yards rushing in one season. Vinny and Co. are looking very good right now. These prices are insane!

Turner's getting paid on his physical ability and potential. If you're Atl. you need some high character guys, and some guys that have talent. I like move. The contact is probably 15 mil over three years. That's not bad for a starting RB. Now they'd better go get a QB.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

i'm more concerned about dropping the ball on good talent..in my eyes the best pick-up trade or FA is clinton portis and springs..Carter had a good season but lets call a spade a spade.Arch,Lloyd and even Brunell(in my eyes cost us more games then won)are noteable bad choices. I'm just saying if there was a time to spend its now.

I certainly agree that some of the moves, particularly Arch & Loyd, have backfired to say the least. We can debate Brunell, but that's already been done too much here.

My only point is about the age of players we've acquired, and I stick to what I said; that since the famed 2000 season, we haven't signed many old players to noteworthy contracts, mainly just cheap depth signings.

I think this offseason will be a good example of that as well, we may sign some 30-somethings, but it will be for 1-2 years & close to our beloved VET MIN!

[redwagonskins]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

im against it this year..normally we go off spending too much money on OLDER over the hill players..but this year there was a fresh crop of good talent and i think we're taking a backseat so we won't be the "oh there goes the redskins spending again cliche"..bad move..sign good players and we'll be okay

I guess the front office is damned if they do, damned if they don't. When we go out a sign "young talent" ala Lloyd and Archuletta, they're morons. When we sit on the sidelines rather than giving Justin Smith (2 sacks) ridiculous money or trading picks for Jonathan Vilma (43 tackles last year) then they're morons. I am curious what truly worthwhile "young talent" is out there for good value and that would fit a "need" in this roster? Is it Calvin Pace at $22 million guaranteed? Asante Samuel at $9.5 million a year?

[prinzeofmoval]

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

I guess the front office is damned if they do, damned if they don't. When we go out a sign "young talent" ala Lloyd and Archuletta, they're morons. When we sit on the sidelines rather than giving Justin Smith (2 sacks) ridiculous money or trading picks for Jonathan Vilma (43 tackles last year) then they're morons. I am curious what truly worthwhile "young talent" is out there for good value and that would fit a "need" in this roster? Is it Calvin Pace at $22 million guaranteed? Asante Samuel at $9.5 million a year?

well you can't fault Vilma..he's been hurt most of the last two seasons. Really the Archuletta thing is to each his own.I like adam when he was with the rams and thought he would be the second coming on John Lynch..I would've bit on that one

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Just wondering what everyone's thoughts are on the Redskins' wait and see approach to free agency.

They said they were going to be patient, and so far our big free agent haul consists of re-signing backup QB Todd Collins. In years past we would be sitting here talking about at least 2-3 big signings by now and tens of millions of dollars in new contracts.

Are you in favor of this new approach? Or do we wish we were our usual aggressive selves?

I'm VERY in favor of the way we're approaching this off season. I think everyone here knows that signing a bunch of high priced free agents never ever works. Free agency only works when you've already got the pieces in place. You can't build your team buying other teams players. I'm in favor of drafting guys, letting them learn your system and if they deserve to be rewared then re-new their contracts. Just like we did with Cooley. And I'm hoping we'll do the same with our younger guys that are still on their first contracts.

[ksmitty7723]

We may be patient, but teams are passing us by this free agency. There were people out there we could make a play for and didn't. No play on Vilma? Dumb! He is young and talented, just didn't fit in the Jets scheme.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by ksmitty7723

We may be patient, but teams are passing us by this free agency. There were people out there we could make a play for and didn't. No play on Vilma? Dumb! He is young and talented, just didn't fit in the Jets scheme.

Just like we passed by teams in the past in free agency?

A lot of good that did during the season.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Just like we passed by teams in the past in free agency?

A lot of good that did during the season.

I think one more bad season and the 49ers will make EVERYONE forget about the 2000 Redskins.