Rock gets new deal with Skins (3 yrs, $3.35M)

[JoeRedskin]

Please tell me again, with something other than your opinion, how you can prove he was overpaid. What offers did he receive, from whom, when and what were the terms?

I know what the Skins paid for him and their terms. He gets ~200K over vet min this year and ~400 over vet min next year. Not exactly killer numbers. Does part of my support come b/c he is a current Skin? Yup. But B Lloyd was a current Skin - I am glad they cut him. Does a player from another team get the same pay as home grown player? Nope. Shouldn't. And if you don't realize leadership on a sports team can grow outside the limelight, well that speaks volumes.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Please tell me again, with something other than your opinion, how you can prove he was overpaid. What offers did he receive, from whom, when and what were the terms?

I know what the Skins paid for him and their terms. He gets ~200K over vet min this year and ~400 over vet min next year. Not exactly killer numbers. Does part of my support come b/c he is a current Skin? Yup. But B Lloyd was a current Skin - I am glad they cut him. Does a player from another team get the same pay as home grown player? Nope. Shouldn't. And if you don't realize leadership on a sports team can grow outside the limelight, well that speaks volumes.

I think you probably should just ignore irish. I would do it myself if my mod obligations didn't prevent me from doing so. He made a big stink last year about how we care more about signing other free agents than keeping our own players. When I mentioned re-signing guys like Betts and Sellers I believe he said that wasn't enough. So now we've re-signed Rock for much less than he was hoping for and it still's not enough. If I remember right, he also questioned why Schneed would think Portis would restructure...and of course he did.

So bottom line, irish can preach all his "I'm a realist" bs but that's all it is, bs. Being "real" is recognizing positive change, it's not all about the negative. He's just very negative about the Redskins, and probably about many other things in life.

Now...as for re-signing Rock. Good. I didn't think it would happen so soon because I thought they should take care of other things (since he wasn't highly sought after) before re-signing Rock. But they got it done now and at a decent price, so there's nothing to really whine about.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think you probably should just ignore irish. I would do it myself if my mod obligations didn't prevent me from doing so. He made a big stink last year about how we care more about signing other free agents than keeping our own players. When I mentioned re-signing guys like Betts and Sellers I believe he said that wasn't enough. So now we've re-signed Rock for much less than he was hoping for and it still's not enough. If I remember right, he also questioned why Schneed would think Portis would restructure...and of course he did.

So bottom line, irish can preach all his "I'm a realist" bs but that's all it is, bs. Being "real" is recognizing positive change, it's not all about the negative. He's just very negative about the Redskins, and probably about many other things in life.

Now...as for re-signing Rock. Good. I didn't think it would happen so soon because I thought they should take care of other things (since he wasn't highly sought after) before re-signing Rock. But they got it done now and at a decent price, so there's nothing to really whine about.

As to Irish, I agree. The critique of this move falls into so much of a past pattern that I really should've just let it go. I just don't appreciate the intellectual dishonesty it displayed and felt like a response was appropriate. Sometimes BS needs to be pointed out for what it is.

As to Rock, was there any interest out for him at all? I would imagine that he had a few vet min plus offers. Maybe I am just looking at it through burgundy and gold glasses, but I thought he would generate some interest as a back up and KR.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As to Irish, I agree. The critique of this move falls into so much of a past pattern that I really should've just let it go. I just don't appreciate the intellectual dishonesty it displayed and felt like a response was appropriate. Sometimes BS needs to be pointed out for what it is.

As to Rock, was there any interest out for him at all? I would imagine that he had a few vet min plus offers. Maybe I am just looking at it through burgundy and gold glasses, but I thought he would generate some interest as a back up and KR.

I think there was a little cursory interest, but nothing all that major.