GW Bush booed at Nationals' opener

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Correct. People should give him a pass. That would be the unbiased, correct, intelligent move, even for those who hate his politics.

When the president comes out for his State of the Union address, the Democrats, for the most part, show a great deal of respect for him. That's in a venue where politics are relevant.

A baseball stadium is a place where politics are irrelevant. Therefore, if you are booing the guy throwing out the first pitch, you are basically telling him that you hate him as a person regardless of politics. If this is true, then I believe that they should boo, but I'm also left wondering what makes GW Bush a horrible man.

I couldn't disagree more.

This is where I will respectfully bow out of the discussion. And this is why I typically avoid threads of a political nature.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I couldn't disagree more.

This is where I will respectfully bow out of the discussion. And this is why I typically avoid threads of a political nature.

Fair enough, we can agree to disagree on this one.

The final point remains that--these people were booing Bush NOT because he made a few bad decisions, but BECAUSE he is George W. Bush. If they saw him on the street 30 years from now, they would still hate him, and would probably not even be able to remember why.

That is why I call them simpletons. They lack the mental capacity to distinguish between people and the decisions they make.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Fair enough, we can agree to disagree on this one.

The final point remains that--these people were booing Bush NOT because he made a few bad decisions, but BECAUSE he is George W. Bush. If they saw him on the street 30 years from now, they would still hate him, and would probably not even be able to remember why.

That is why I call them simpletons. They lack the mental capacity to distinguish between people and the decisions they make.

Don't your decisions and actions make you what you are ultimately? I'm not seeing where there is a seperation.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Don't your decisions and actions make you what you are ultimately? I'm not seeing where there is a seperation.

Seriously.
Is he saying that we shouldn't judge Hitler based on the decisions he made, but by how he was as a person?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Seriously.
Is he saying that we shouldn't judge Hitler based on the decisions he made, but by how he was as a person?

Hitler killed millions of people, just because he thought they weren't part of his ideal society.

That's a pretty bad person, regardless of any strategic war decisions he made.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Don't your decisions and actions make you what you are ultimately? I'm not seeing where there is a seperation.

I have to say no, because if that is to be correct, then all people who make bad decisions or stupid decisions or are just generally wrong all the time (like offiss) would be BAD people, and if we disagreed with them, we would HATE them.

I don't believe this to be the case. I bet 90% of the people who booed GW claim to hate the man, but again, these aren't the brightest bulbs we are speaking about.

Yes, Matty, your actions make you what you are. If you make bad decisions as the president of the US, it makes you an inept president. It does not make you a bad person and the people who cant distinguish the two are the simpletons in question.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I have to say no, because if that is to be correct, then all people who make bad decisions or stupid decisions or are just generally wrong all the time (like offiss) would be BAD people, and if we disagreed with them, we would HATE them.

I don't believe this to be the case. I bet 90% of the people who booed GW claim to hate the man, but again, these aren't the brightest bulbs we are speaking about.

I think it all depends on what type of decisions we're talking about. You're brushing this argument with a pretty wide stroke.

As AMD said above: Hitler, probably a bad guy all around.

I don't see where offiss should be in any way compared to the leader of the free world. That's pretty hilarious actually.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think it all depends on what type of decisions we're talking about.

As AMD said above: Hitler, probably a bad guy all around.

I don't see where offiss should be in any way compared to the leader of the free world. That's pretty hilarious actually.

Because, from what we know about offiss, we can't assume he's a bad person deserving of public ridicule wherever he goes.

Same for the president.

Agreed?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Because, from what we know about offiss, we can't assume he's a bad person deserving of public ridicule wherever he goes.

Same for the president.

Agreed?

Apples and oranges. I don't see anything similar between the two at all.

I might not like offiss's opinions, but I don't have any dislike towards him as a person. Bush on the other hand is making decisions that impact our lives, there's a huge difference there.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I have to say no, because if that is to be correct, then all people who make bad decisions or stupid decisions or are just generally wrong all the time (like offiss) would be BAD people, and if we disagreed with them, we would HATE them.

I don't believe this to be the case. I bet 90% of the people who booed GW claim to hate the man, but again, these aren't the brightest bulbs we are speaking about.

Yes, Matty, your actions make you what you are. If you make bad decisions as the president of the US, it makes you an inept president. It does not make you a bad person and the people who cant distinguish the two are the simpletons in question.

But wouldn't you agree that any bad decisions made by an inept President could be pretty damaging to society in general? Obviously there's a ton of responsibility that comes with that position, and if you're making bad decisions that impacts millions of people I fail to see where a seperation between the person and his decision making needs to be made. By making the decsions that he has, he's shown us the kind of person he is.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

But wouldn't you agree that any bad decisions made by an inept President could be pretty damaging to society in general? Obviously there's a ton of responsibility that comes with that position, and if you're making bad decisions that impacts millions of people I fail to see where a seperation between the person and his decision making needs to be made. By making the decsions that he has, he's shown us the kind of person he is.

That bolded conclusion, I couldn't disagree with more.

The rest...yeah, I mean, absoultely. You don't have to vote for him, and I'm sure you didn't. You also are totally allowed, as are we all, to voice your opinion to him in the proper setting, or just talk about his poor decision making behind his back. But the problem comes when you decide that he deserves no respect whatsoever as a man...then you've probably crossed a line you shouldn't have.

I have to bow out here. Good points on both sides.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

That bolded conclusion, I couldn't disagree with more.

The rest...yeah, I mean, absoultely. You don't have to vote for him, and I'm sure you didn't. You also are totally allowed, as are we all, to voice your opinion to him in the proper setting, or just talk about his poor decision making behind his back. But the problem comes when you decide that he deserves no respect whatsoever as a man...then you've probably crossed a line you shouldn't have.

I have to bow out here. Good points on both sides.

Just to be clear I'm not saying he deserves no respect. He doesn't have an easy job that's for sure. So for that, I respect him and I respect what his position represents.

But to me his decisions and actions are a clear representation of the kind of man he is. That applies to everyone. The decisions you make are a reflection of who you are as a person. Otherwise aren't you living a lie and not being true to yourself??

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I have to say no, because if that is to be correct, then all people who make bad decisions or stupid decisions or are just generally wrong all the time (like offiss) would be BAD people, and if we disagreed with them, we would HATE them.

I don't believe this to be the case. I bet 90% of the people who booed GW claim to hate the man, but again, these aren't the brightest bulbs we are speaking about.

Yes, Matty, your actions make you what you are. If you make bad decisions as the president of the US, it makes you an inept president. It does not make you a bad person and the people who cant distinguish the two are the simpletons in question.

This is how I see it and I think it is the biggest problem in country today in terms of politics and governance. Our political machine and it machinations, media, proganda, marketing, have turned our system into one of hate and emotionality. Are there BAD PEOPLE who get elected? Yeah, but truly bad people don't get elected all that often.

I would say even though a large majority of our elected officials have relatively large egos and are seeking some type of power I also believe that they do honestly believe they can do what is best for whatever their constiuency is. I believe this firmly of GW. I don't agree with a lot of what he has done and I strongly disagree with a few of the things he has done but I don't hate the guy. I don't think he is pure evil like so many idealogues would like us to believe. I strongly believe the guy has thought he was doing what was best for the country. It makes him a bad President, not a bad person. If you hate someone for being not very good at something then I pity you.

I don't hate Spurrier for being such a crap HC. And he was at least as bad at being HC as Bush is at being President.