Ted Nugent on Gun Control

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

The gun rights advocates seem to talk a lot about the "bad guys" and the need to protect themselves. If anything, it sounds like the gun rights advocates use fear to justify their beliefs.

And I don't agree that limiting access to guns is a assbackward way of fixing "the problem." Punishment reacts to the problem, it doesn't prevent it.

I disagree 100%.
Look at a dog. If he pees on the carpet and you let it go, he will continue to do so. If you shove his nose in it, spank him and throw him outside, he eventually learns not to do it.
If you cut the hand off a person that steals, and others watch it, do you seriously think that won't deter others from stealing? I certainly do. Punishment absolutely prevents issues if the punishment is severe enough.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I disagree 100%.
Look at a dog. If he pees on the carpet and you let it go, he will continue to do so. If you shove his nose in it, spank him and throw him outside, he eventually learns not to do it.
If you cut the hand off a person that steals, and others watch it, do you seriously think that won't deter others from stealing? I certainly do. Punishment absolutely prevents issues if the punishment is severe enough.

How many times do you have to do it to a dog? My dog is still shitting in the house

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

How many times do you have to do it to a dog? My dog is still shitting in the house

My first basset hound figured it out in less than 2 weeks, my second basset took a tad bit longer but it was because of his dominance issues.
The spankings got progressively worse the more they didn't learn it.

What kind of dog do you have?

(editted to be a little more PC)

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by jsarno

My first basset hound figured it out in less than 2 weeks, my second basset took a tad bit longer but it was because of his dominance issues.
The beatings got progressively worse the more they didn't learn it.

What kind of dog do you have?

rat terrier

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jsarno

My first basset hound figured it out in less than 2 weeks, my second basset took a tad bit longer but it was because of his dominance issues.
The beatings got progressively worse the more they didn't learn it.

What kind of dog do you have?

I can't believe I missed this the first time around. Do you really beat your dogs??

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I can't believe I missed this the first time around. Do you really beat your dogs??

As probably the biggest dog lover on this site, I have no problem saying I do indeed punish my dogs with smacks on the ass that get progressively worse until they learn. It works, and it worked within a very short time frame. Haven't had to discipline them in many years now since they are about 6 years old.
Weren't you the same person that got on me cause I seem to love animals more than humans? So I have to ask why in the world you'd bring this up like this on a site about gun control? Maybe it has something to do with the fatc that you would quote someone just to cause trouble. I would give you negative rep points both for that post, and this one, but what's the point? You would just delete yours and then attack another and take away ALL of his right Matty? (think I forgot that one did you?)
When you make posts personal, what kind of remarks are you expecting? Or should I say..."yes massta, sorry massta"?
SO why not get back to being a decent poster again, and not abusing your position here. You [i]can[i] provide decent feedback, and I look forward to seeing those around here instead of crap posts like this with the sole intent of causing trouble.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jsarno

As probably the biggest dog lover on this site, I have no problem saying I do indeed punish my dogs with smacks on the ass that get progressively worse until they learn. It works, and it worked within a very short time frame. Haven't had to discipline them in many years now since they are about 6 years old.
Weren't you the same person that got on me cause I seem to love animals more than humans? So I have to ask why in the world you'd bring this up like this on a site about gun control? Maybe it has something to do with the fatc that you would quote someone just to cause trouble. I would give you negative rep points both for that post, and this one, but what's the point? You would just delete yours and then attack another and take away ALL of his right Matty? (think I forgot that one did you?)
When you make posts personal, what kind of remarks are you expecting? Or should I say..."yes massta, sorry massta"?
SO why not get back to being a decent poster again, and not abusing your position here. You [i]can[i] provide decent feedback, and I look forward to seeing those around here instead of crap posts like this with the sole intent of causing trouble.

I brought it up because you mentioned it earlier in this thread. I didn't just pull this dog beating thing out of the air.

Why are your panties all in a bunch?

I don't even know what you are ranting about.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I brought it up because you mentioned it earlier in this thread. I didn't just pull this dog beating thing out of the air.

I'm sure you were deathly concerned about my dogs

Why are your panties all in a bunch?

They are not, but I won't sit by and allow you to cause trouble 2 times in 2 days and just take it. How about we just get back to decent discussion?

I don't even know what you are ranting about.

K.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jsarno

As probably the biggest dog lover on this site, I have no problem saying I do indeed punish my dogs with smacks on the ass that get progressively worse until they learn. It works, and it worked within a very short time frame. Haven't had to discipline them in many years now since they are about 6 years old.
Weren't you the same person that got on me cause I seem to love animals more than humans? So I have to ask why in the world you'd bring this up like this on a site about gun control? Maybe it has something to do with the fatc that you would quote someone just to cause trouble. I would give you negative rep points both for that post, and this one, but what's the point? You would just delete yours and then attack another and take away ALL of his right Matty? (think I forgot that one did you?)
When you make posts personal, what kind of remarks are you expecting? Or should I say..."yes massta, sorry massta"?
SO why not get back to being a decent poster again, and not abusing your position here. You [i]can[i] provide decent feedback, and I look forward to seeing those around here instead of crap posts like this with the sole intent of causing trouble.

LOL

HUH?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

LOL

HUH?

Do you really want me to get into the specifics here, or would you prefer PM?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I disagree 100%.
Look at a dog. If he pees on the carpet and you let it go, he will continue to do so. If you shove his nose in it, spank him and throw him outside, he eventually learns not to do it.
If you cut the hand off a person that steals, and others watch it, do you seriously think that won't deter others from stealing? I certainly do. Punishment absolutely prevents issues if the punishment is severe enough.

But you don't do all that to the dog before he pees on the carpet do you? You're not shoving his nose in the carpet just because

I think that's what SGG is trying to say

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But you don't do all that to the dog before he pees on the carpet do you? You're not shoving his nose in the carpet just because

I think that's what SGG is trying to say

I see his point, this is what he said:
Punishment reacts to the problem, it doesn't prevent it.
He is correct in saying punishment reacts to a problem. However I am saying that punishment prevents problems. We are already having the problem, so the only way to really stop it is to show that we are willing to punish it, and create fear so that the problem does not occur again.
It's not like we're trying to prevent something from EVER occuring, it already is. Since it's not stopping (I believe partly cause of weak punishments) the punishments needs to get severe in order to put fear into the people who are doing the acts.
My dogs fear the beatings, therefore they do their dirty business outside. If I didn't beat on them when they peed on the carpet, they would not have stopped.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I disagree 100%.
Look at a dog. If he pees on the carpet and you let it go, he will continue to do so. If you shove his nose in it, spank him and throw him outside, he eventually learns not to do it.
If you cut the hand off a person that steals, and others watch it, do you seriously think that won't deter others from stealing? I certainly do. Punishment absolutely prevents issues if the punishment is severe enough.

This logic implies that man and dog are the same. Do you really want to say that?