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[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I first heard about the talks several months ago on one of those Sunday morning news shows. Since then, I've read about it numerous times. Sorry I didn't post a link.

Does anyone else find this somewhat ironic given the pounding Obama took for making the same suggestion?
Obama's Foreign-Policy Pledge Sparks Criticism From Rivals - WSJ.com

Two points:
1. Everyone (dems and Rs) pounded Obama - this is not a shot at just Bush.
2. I realize Obama's comments were far more sweeping, and involved "no-concession" open doors to a number of countries we have no relationship with right now.

I'm not an Obama supporter (or foe), but I found this interesting.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

Does anyone else find this somewhat ironic given the pounding Obama took for making the same suggestion?
Obama's Foreign-Policy Pledge Sparks Criticism From Rivals - WSJ.com

Two points:
1. Everyone (dems and Rs) pounded Obama - this is not a shot at just Bush.
2. I realize Obama's comments were far more sweeping, and involved "no-concession" open doors to a number of countries we have no relationship with right now.

I'm not an Obama supporter (or foe), but I found this interesting.

The problem I have with Obama and I could be off on this but I feel that he thinks that we could all just become friends. Well some groups, countries, etc.. do not want to be our friends and if we let our guard down they will pounce on us. They want us dead. Say what you want about Bush and how he has handled things but on 9/11 he realized that we are at war against certain groups and has done everything he feels he needs to do to protect us against another attack. I'm not saying I agree with everything he has done but who ever is in office needs to realize that not everyone wants to be our friends and would perfer if we where dead. When we forget this is when they will hit us again. We have to get it right 100% of the time and they just need to get it right once.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

The problem I have with Obama and I could be off on this but I feel that he thinks that we could all just become friends. Well some groups, countries, etc.. do not want to be our friends and if we let our guard down they will pounce on us. They want us dead. Say what you want about Bush and how he has handled things but on 9/11 he realized that we are at war against certain groups and has done everything he feels he needs to do to protect us against another attack. I'm not saying I agree with everything he has done but who ever is in office needs to realize that not everyone wants to be our friends and would perfer if we where dead. When we forget this is when they will hit us again. We have to get it right 100% of the time and they just need to get it right once.

You are off because how could we ever possibly become friends if we don't talk? The real question I have is do we want to become friends people we don't like and are we trying to build a bridge?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

The problem I have with Obama and I could be off on this but I feel that he thinks that we could all just become friends. Well some groups, countries, etc.. do not want to be our friends and if we let our guard down they will pounce on us. They want us dead. Say what you want about Bush and how he has handled things but on 9/11 he realized that we are at war against certain groups and has done everything he feels he needs to do to protect us against another attack. I'm not saying I agree with everything he has done but who ever is in office needs to realize that not everyone wants to be our friends and would perfer if we where dead. When we forget this is when they will hit us again. We have to get it right 100% of the time and they just need to get it right once.

I don't think Obama believes we can or should be friends with other rogue leaders, but rather negotiations with the US shouldn't be something that's seen as a privilege or earned. I think that's where he's coming from.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I don't think Obama believes we can or should be friends with other rogue leaders, but rather negotiations with the US shouldn't be something that's seen as a privilege or earned. I think that's where he's coming from.

He could be and I don't have a bproblem with us talking to Chinia, Iran and other nations like that because I do not feel they would attack us. Iran knows we could wipe them off the earth and China knows we could defeat them but we bothe would take a blood bath. Its these crazy people which I fear the Democrats in general just do not see as the threat. Maybe it is just politics but they have faught Bush on just about everything he has done and also exposed stuff that they were doing which has made it tougher to fight them.