Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)

[riggins44]

We may have offered a first round pick and a lower pick, but don't buy into the the two first round picks. Everyone is blowing smoke with their "team
and league sources". They're all using the media as a negotiating tool.

I'm sure anything beyond the first round pick would have all kinds of conditions attached.

All this pre-draft hype and trade talks is worse than a bunch of dealers
at a used car auction.

[Larry Michael is Satan]

1) Chad goddam Johnson is NOT in the same league as Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, et al, as some have said. That's insane. He's not even the best reciever on his own team, much less all-time great.

2) He plays with an elite NFL QB, and is trashing his team publically because they are not winning. Newsflash: The Skins are a LONG way from being a contender.

3) Do you think getting screamed at on the sideline by some prima dona bitch is gonna help Jason Campbell's confidence and development?

4) Joe Gibbs has obviously left the building if we are making an offer for CJ.

5) No team can afford to pay pro bowl money to THREE recievers.

6) NOBODY is gonna get the ball if we don't have an O-line.

COLOSSAL MISTAKE!!!!!!!!

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Larry Michael is Satan

1) Chad goddam Johnson is NOT in the same league as Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, et al, as some have said. That's insane. He's not even the best reciever on his own team, much less all-time great.

2) He plays with an elite NFL QB, and is trashing his team publically because they are not winning. Newsflash: The Skins are a LONG way from being a contender.

3) Do you think getting screamed at on the sideline by some prima dona bitch is gonna help Jason Campbell's confidence and development?

4) Joe Gibbs has obviously left the building if we are making an offer for CJ.

5) No team can afford to pay pro bowl money to THREE recievers.

6) NOBODY is gonna get the ball if we don't have an O-line.

COLOSSAL MISTAKE!!!!!!!!

So TJ is better than CJ, and I didnt know his middle name was "goddam" and yes the Redskins are a long way from being a contender we did go 1-15 last year. Seriously are you making any sense right now?

[Larry Michael is Satan]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

So TJ is better than CJ, and I didnt know his middle name was "goddam" and yes the Redskins are a long way from being a contender we did go 1-15 last year. Seriously are you making any sense right now?

Yes, his middle name is "goddam", check wikipedia.
The guy is a cancer. Period. I wouldn't sign him as a FA, much less give up picks/players for him.
TJ is a big possession reciever, as well as a team player, and I'd take him for this WC offense over CJ any day of the week.
We are not a playoff team right now, and that's what CJ wants to be on. He's says he's pissed because he's not winning, coming to washington ain't gonna help that anytime soon.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Larry Michael is Satan

Yes, his middle name is "goddam", check wikipedia.
The guy is a cancer. Period. I wouldn't sign him as a FA, much less give up picks/players for him.
TJ is a big possession reciever, as well as a team player, and I'd take him for this WC offense over CJ any day of the week.
We are not a playoff team right now, and that's what CJ wants to be on. He's says he's pissed because he's not winning, coming to washington ain't gonna help that anytime soon.

did we not just make the playoffs last season and twice in the last 3 years and we playin the NFC, TJ is 6'1" 197 and chad is 6'1" 192 so I dont see how Tj is a "big" possession reciever. That playoff statement you make isnt making any sense at all.

[Dirtbag59]

Either way after reading those articles in my last post I think it's safe to say that our draft picks are pretty safe. Reposting so it doesn't get lost in the thread.


Cincinnati Bengals
Prior to his drafting there was a huge effort by the New Orleans Saints head coach Mike Ditka and management to get the Bengals' high draft position so the Saints could get Ricky Williams. The final offer, which was refused by the Bengals management, was for 9 draft picks, several extra in this year as well as many in the next year. Instead of taking the trade, the Bengals stuck with their initial decision to draft Smith, who, while undeniably athletic -- he had also played some professional baseball -- was still largely unproven, having only impressed at the college level for one season.

Smith missed large periods of 1999 pre-season training with the Bengals due to contract disputes; many pundits later speculated that his absence from this short training period hurt him immensely in the seasons to come. Despite incredible shows of athleticism in his early games, he failed to grasp the Bengals playbook fully, and never established himself with the team. Throughout the four years he was with the Bengals, he would only start in 17 games, eventually leading to his outright release in the 2002 season.

Smith joined other highly drafted Bengals players such as David Klingler, Ki-Jana Carter, and Peter Warrick who as a result of injury, bad work ethic, bad management and coaching decisions, or simply poor performance, failed to live up to the high expectations that came with being selected early in the first round. Such picks are considered a major reason for the Bengals' dismal performances during the 1990s and early 2000s.

Also found this:
Brown calls Akili over Saints' 9 picks 'a wash'
Yet, Brown is still convinced the decision to draft Smith with the third pick and turn down the New Orleans Saints' offer of nine draft choices (first and third through seventh rounds in '99, first-rounders in 2000 and 2001 and a second in 2002) will hold up under the test of time.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Larry Michael is Satan

Yes, his middle name is "goddam", check wikipedia.
The guy is a cancer. Period. I wouldn't sign him as a FA, much less give up picks/players for him.
TJ is a big possession reciever, as well as a team player, and I'd take him for this WC offense over CJ any day of the week.
We are not a playoff team right now, and that's what CJ wants to be on. He's says he's pissed because he's not winning, coming to washington ain't gonna help that anytime soon.

Did you miss 2007?

[Larry Michael is Satan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Did you miss 2007?

Yeah, I saw us back into the fabulous wildcard game and get sent home.

2008: New offense, first year coach, tough schedule, won't be fully healthy, I don't see us making the playoffs. Sorry, I just don't.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Larry Michael is Satan

Yeah, I saw us back into the fabulous wildcard game and get sent home.

2008: New offense, first year coach, tough schedule, won't be fully healthy, I don't see us making the playoffs. Sorry, I just don't.

Yes they backed in with 4 straight wins... right.

Who won't be fully healthy?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Did you miss 2007?

He was too busy smoking crack or something.

[Larry Michael is Satan]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

He was too busy smoking crack or something.

Ocho Cinco and his agent be the ones busy smokin crack!

Sorry, but my fundamental aversion to Chad Johnson is that he is not a "Redskin" and we have other needs to address with our draft picks. We have plenty of vets at WR, I'd like to have a young, hungry one in there that we can think long long term with. If he was on the Skins and he was acting like he is now, disrespecting his team and coach, it would be embarrassing, and Snyder would send him off to Laveranues Lavar Land. Also, ....the huge contract, ...we need to look to the future. Just my opinion.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Larry Michael is Satan

1) Chad goddam Johnson is NOT in the same league as Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, et al, as some have said. That's insane. He's not even the best reciever on his own team, much less all-time great.

2) He plays with an elite NFL QB, and is trashing his team publically because they are not winning. Newsflash: The Skins are a LONG way from being a contender.

3) Do you think getting screamed at on the sideline by some prima dona bitch is gonna help Jason Campbell's confidence and development?

4) Joe Gibbs has obviously left the building if we are making an offer for CJ.

5) No team can afford to pay pro bowl money to THREE recievers.

6) NOBODY is gonna get the ball if we don't have an O-line.

COLOSSAL MISTAKE!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry you lost me with #1.....How is CJ not the #1 WR on his team? Go to NFL.COM and look up player stats for 2007 and tell me how a #3 ranked WR is not the top WR on his team? and then find the next available Bengal on that roster.....I'll help you out...it's T.J. Houshmandzadeh at #15. and for your info...CJ does compare to Randy Moss who was second on the list. If you look at all the stats they are comparable other then TD's...yes Moss had 23 and CJ had 8, but thats because according to you he had to play with some one who is better then him at #15.

Your #2 is stupid. Palmer is not elite! I think you mean his WR's make him look alot better then he really is. At this point I believe Campbell is better then Palmer.

#3 I regress to #2. Palmer is an idiot. Campbell is not. I'm sure CJ would not stunt Campbells growth and more then likely would help it grow.

#4 I finally agree with you.
#5 Your right. the team should not have thought that Moss who was not the #1 on the Jets was #1 status or that Randel El who was not the #1 on his team nor a #2 was worthy of #1 pay.

#6 I'm back to disagreeing with you. This just makes it harder for other teams to double up on one WR. It would probably force Moss to be more open which means Moss gets more balls, or Cooley, or Randel El.

Now before you go saying then why do we need CJ...its because teams would have to game plan for him and not single out Moss. Also CJ would get the ball when teams start rolling the coverage his way to eliminate him.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm sorry you lost me with #1.....How is CJ not the #1 WR on his team? Go to NFL.COM and look up player stats for 2007 and tell me how a #3 ranked WR is not the top WR on his team? and then find the next available Bengal on that roster.....I'll help you out...it's T.J. Houshmandzadeh at #15. and for your info...CJ does compare to Randy Moss who was second on the list. If you look at all the stats they are comparable other then TD's...yes Moss had 23 and CJ had 8, but thats because according to you he had to play with some one who is better then him at #15.

Your #2 is stupid. Palmer is not elite! I think you mean his WR's make him look alot better then he really is. At this point I believe Campbell is better then Palmer.

#3 I regress to #2. Palmer is an idiot. Campbell is not. I'm sure CJ would not stunt Campbells growth and more then likely would help it grow.

#4 I finally agree with you.
#5 Your right. the team should not have thought that Moss who was not the #1 on the Jets was #1 status or that Randel El who was not the #1 on his team nor a #2 was worthy of #1 pay.

#6 I'm back to disagreeing with you. This just makes it harder for other teams to double up on one WR. It would probably force Moss to be more open which means Moss gets more balls, or Cooley, or Randel El.

Now before you go saying then why do we need CJ...its because teams would have to game plan for him and not single out Moss. Also CJ would get the ball when teams start rolling the coverage his way to eliminate him.

You gotta be kidding me. Carson Palmer is a better Qb than JC. I can't even believe you said that.