Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

1. We're talking about trading one pick this year for one of the game's most talented WRs

2. We are not throwing all our picks away

3. Why is it not even remotely considered that maybe, just maybe, Chad Johnson will help Jason Campbell get to that next level. That maybe, just maybe, a stud receiver like Chad Johnson would be the best thing to happen to Campbell?

4. Too many people have way too narrow an understanding of how to build a team

To many people have watched this exact approach for way to long, and I have to ask where has it taken us?

People act as if Moss and El are average Wr's at best, they are 2 bonified game breakers who have been stuck in the mud with Gibbs conservative offensive approach.

You do understand that next year at this time we can very well be talking all about how many needs we have and no #1, when have I heard that before? Sorry I don't think WR is a big enough need comparatively to other needs to give up possibly 2 #1's, I believe some people believe you can build a team with 1 player, lets see what happens when we can't block so Chad can get the ball? Lets see what happens when we can't cover anybody and the offense doesn't see the field. This is a move to be made for a team ready to win now, that ain't us! Further more I watched old Chad drop ball after ball last season, but because of his mouth and his antics nobody has brought that up, all they see is the persona. Yes the guy is not a problem off the field [criminally], but he's a selfish idiot on the field.

Tell me how do you propose to blow up our cap space with his new contract, because we have so much cap space to throw around? You do understand that will be part of the deal don't you? More money for the legend Chad J? Right? I haven't heard him say he just wants to win, he may have said it I haven't heard all his quotes, but I did here quite a few of his rants complaining he wants more money. Just a very disrupting personality we don't need, and we sure don't need to start giving up #1's for that privilege.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

To many people have watched this exact approach for way to long, and I have to ask where has it taken us?

People act as if Moss and El are average Wr's at best, they are 2 bonified game breakers who have been stuck in the mud with Gibbs conservative offensive approach.

You do understand that next year at this time we can very well be talking all about how many needs we have and no #1, when have I heard that before? Sorry I don't think WR is a big enough need comparatively to other needs to give up possibly 2 #1's, I believe some people believe you can build a team with 1 player, lets see what happens when we can't block so Chad can get the ball? Lets see what happens when we can't cover anybody and the offense doesn't see the field. This is a move to be made for a team ready to win now, that ain't us! Further more I watched old Chad drop ball after ball last season, but because of his mouth and his antics nobody has brought that up, all they see is the persona. Yes the guy is not a problem off the field [criminally], but he's a selfish idiot on the field.

Tell me how do you propose to blow up our cap space with his new contract, because we have so much cap space to throw around? You do understand that will be part of the deal don't you? More money for the legend Chad J? Right? I haven't heard him say he just wants to win, he may have said it I haven't heard all his quotes, but I did here quite a few of his rants complaining he wants more money. Just a very disrupting personality we don't need, and we sure don't need to start giving up #1's for that privilege.

Well CJ did mention in the NFL Network that he wants the same opportunity that Randy Moss and T.O. have gotten. I mean these are both players that people considered to be case heads (but with lots of talents) and went to another team and got the opportunity to win. I mean let's be honest, the Bengals are not the best run organization and it is going to be a long time until they win in a very competitive AFC.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

To many people have watched this exact approach for way to long, and I have to ask where has it taken us?

People act as if Moss and El are average Wr's at best, they are 2 bonified game breakers who have been stuck in the mud with Gibbs conservative offensive approach.

You do understand that next year at this time we can very well be talking all about how many needs we have and no #1, when have I heard that before? Sorry I don't think WR is a big enough need comparatively to other needs to give up possibly 2 #1's, I believe some people believe you can build a team with 1 player, lets see what happens when we can't block so Chad can get the ball? Lets see what happens when we can't cover anybody and the offense doesn't see the field. This is a move to be made for a team ready to win now, that ain't us! Further more I watched old Chad drop ball after ball last season, but because of his mouth and his antics nobody has brought that up, all they see is the persona. Yes the guy is not a problem off the field [criminally], but he's a selfish idiot on the field.

Tell me how do you propose to blow up our cap space with his new contract, because we have so much cap space to throw around? You do understand that will be part of the deal don't you? More money for the legend Chad J? Right? I haven't heard him say he just wants to win, he may have said it I haven't heard all his quotes, but I did here quite a few of his rants complaining he wants more money. Just a very disrupting personality we don't need, and we sure don't need to start giving up #1's for that privilege.

I think El is very good, and seems like a genuinely good guy. But if you really think he's as good a WR as Chad Johnson then wow, just Wow!

I still have no idea why people think we can't address several of our needs while still sending a first rounder and a conditional third rounder next year for CJ

You don't think the Redskins restructured contracts and held back on signing free agents this offseason in anticipation of possibly making such a move?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think El is very good, and seems like a genuinely good guy. But if you really think he's as good a WR as Chad Johnson then wow, just Wow!

I still have no idea why people think we can't address several of our needs while still sending a first rounder and a conditional third rounder next year for CJ

You don't think the Redskins restructured contracts and held back on signing free agents this offseason in anticipation of possibly making such a move?

Smoot, you think ARE is a very good receiver? I'm not so sure anymore. Maybe it's because Campbell is still developing, maybe the offense has been "stuck in the mud" with more conservative approach, I don't know.

I'll be interested to see if a different, more innovative offense gives him a new spark. But his numbers are what they are, and last year as the #2 guy he produced like a seldom used #3. To me, he's never been as good as advertised.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Smoot, you think ARE is a very good receiver? I'm not so sure anymore. Maybe it's because Campbell is still developing, maybe the offense has been "stuck in the mud" with more conservative approach, I don't know.

I'll be interested to see if a different, more innovative offense gives him a new spark. But his numbers are what they are, and last year as the #2 guy he produced like a seldom used #3. To me, he's never been as good as advertised.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find 1 #3 wideout who posted ARE's numbers last year.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I think you'd be hard pressed to find 1 #3 wideout who posted ARE's numbers last year.

Well of course I would be hard pressed to do that. But ARE was the #2 wideout in '07. 51 receptions are about the norm for a #3 wr.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Well of course I would be hard pressed to do that. But ARE was the #2 wideout in '07. 51 receptions are about the norm for a #3 wr.

Well you said ARE produced like a "seldom used #3." I don't think you'll find any #3 who put up ARE's 2007 stats, let alone a "seldom used #3." I doubt more than half of the #2s in the league put up better stats than ARE in 2007. He did just fine IMO.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Smoot, you think ARE is a very good receiver? I'm not so sure anymore. Maybe it's because Campbell is still developing, maybe the offense has been "stuck in the mud" with more conservative approach, I don't know.

I'll be interested to see if a different, more innovative offense gives him a new spark. But his numbers are what they are, and last year as the #2 guy he produced like a seldom used #3. To me, he's never been as good as advertised.

I should clarify. I think El is a very good #3 receiver, a more than capable #2. But to compare him on the field to Chad Johnson is "reidyquelouz"

[irish]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

To many people have watched this exact approach for way to long, and I have to ask where has it taken us?

People act as if Moss and El are average Wr's at best, they are 2 bonified game breakers who have been stuck in the mud with Gibbs conservative offensive approach.

You do understand that next year at this time we can very well be talking all about how many needs we have and no #1, when have I heard that before? Sorry I don't think WR is a big enough need comparatively to other needs to give up possibly 2 #1's, I believe some people believe you can build a team with 1 player, lets see what happens when we can't block so Chad can get the ball? Lets see what happens when we can't cover anybody and the offense doesn't see the field. This is a move to be made for a team ready to win now, that ain't us! Further more I watched old Chad drop ball after ball last season, but because of his mouth and his antics nobody has brought that up, all they see is the persona. Yes the guy is not a problem off the field [criminally], but he's a selfish idiot on the field.

Tell me how do you propose to blow up our cap space with his new contract, because we have so much cap space to throw around? You do understand that will be part of the deal don't you? More money for the legend Chad J? Right? I haven't heard him say he just wants to win, he may have said it I haven't heard all his quotes, but I did here quite a few of his rants complaining he wants more money. Just a very disrupting personality we don't need, and we sure don't need to start giving up #1's for that privilege.

I agree, this build from without approach has been going on in Redskin land for quite some time now and it hasnt worked. The Skins need to build a solid foundation through the draft and then when they need a player or 2 to fill a hole then get him via free agency (likw NE did with Moss) but the Skins arent there yet.