The official Jason Taylor discussion thread (mega-merge)

[irish]

If the Skins could trade Smoot for Taylor straight up, they should jump on that in a heart beat.

[Monkeydad]

No way. We need the CB depth more, plus Smoot played very well last season and brings a lot of energy and leadership to the team, he's one of thh core guys.

Plus, Taylor is getting older. We know Smoot fits in, we don't know about Taylor.

Not a deal we should do. Especially since Taylor's salary will be MUCH higher than Smoot's and the injury risk and lack of production is more likely to come from Taylor than Smoot.

[MTK]

I've changed my tune a bit, I wouldn't hate it if we got Taylor at the right price, as in a later round pick but I doubt the Dolphins would go for anything less than a 2nd at the worst. Even at 33 he's shown no sign of slowing down and he keeps himself in great condition. He could probably continue to play at a high level for 2-3 more seasons.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Let's be honest, at best the guy has 1-2 stellar seasons left in the tank. Moreover, his cap figure is more than significant. You don't pay for the past, you pay for the future. He's not worth anything more than a 3rd-4th rounder IMO. I'd be fine with giving up a 4th for him and somewhat troubled if we gave up a 3rd for him. Remember, we got Dockery and Cooley in the 3rd round.

I'm amazed that the Dolphins were asking for a first rounder. That's pretty insane IMO. Anyone who gives up a 1st or 2nd rounder for him is crazy.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Let's be honest, at best the guy has 1-2 stellar seasons left in the tank. Moreover, his cap figure is more than significant. You don't pay for the past, you pay for the future. He's not worth anything more than a 3rd-4th rounder IMO. I'd be fine with giving up a 4th for him and somewhat troubled if we gave up a 3rd for him. Remember, we got Dockery and Cooley in the 3rd round.

I'm amazed that the Dolphins were asking for a first rounder. That's pretty insane IMO. Anyone who gives up a 1st or 2nd rounder for him is crazy.

If the Dolphins dont set a high price for Taylor who will?

[Rajmahal33]

I would actually be thrilled to get Jason Taylor (obviously for the right price). I think he is a great pass rusher right now and probably for another 2 seasons. In the event that he does start slowing down, i feel like he has the frame to put on a few pounds of muscle and adapt his game a little bit to be a run-stopper. I don't think there is much risk in paying him for a few years and having him restructure his contract down the line.

Some of you guys who disagree with acquiring him are rightfully wary of chemistry issues, him fitting into our system, previous FA's gone bad, and dead cap space but i think Jason Taylor is the kind of guy who has so much talent that he is definitely worth it.

2007-11 sacks 56 tackles
2006-13.5 sacks 60 tackles
2005-12.0 sacks 74 tackles
2004-9.5 sacks 67 tackles
2003-13.0 sacks 57 tackles
2002-18.5 sacks 69 tackles
2001-8.5 sacks 70 tackles
2000-14.5 sacks 65 tackles

If that isn't the model of consistency i don't know what is...Considering he lost that complementary guy in Ogunleye in '03 but hasn't missed a beat and has cranked out those numbers, it's really impressive. He get's double teamed nearly every game he plays. I think this is the most important stat to us if we get him...In the past 10 years the Miami dolphins have played 160 regular season games and Jason Taylor has started 158 and played in 159 of those games. He hasn't missed a game in EIGHT years. That is just SICK from the D-end position.

[RIGGO/NYC]

Getting Taylor is like getting another Bruce Smith. Yeah, he will probably give us two 8-11 sack seasons, which is tempting considering the state of our pass rush, but the cap figure kills the deal. We need to hope Wilson has a big break out year and Griffin stays healty and address D-line in the draft next year and/or with a big time, but young free agent. This is why the front office should have drafted Groves in the second round instead of Davis. He would of helped the pass rush this year as a specialist with Wilson and then took over for Washington next year or Carter in two or three years.

[MTK]

I don't see Miami releasing him either. Not sure what his cap hit would be but I'm sure Miami probably isn't interested in eating that for nothing.

[The Goat]

Personally, I keep waiting for A. Montgomery to form into an A. Haynesworth level DT. I remember Williams talking about Montgomery's unlimited potential, that he did not even understand how good he could be. Since the coaches/FO have chosen to leave the d-line unchanged I keep thinking it could be that they see a break out year ahead too. Then we've got Evans, not much younger than the starters but he seems to produce when he gets his chances.

I'm probably being too optimistic but what I hope to see is a rotation where Griffin and Montgomery can consistently pressure up the middle while Evans and Daniels can swap out. AC doesn't need a rotation because he's in better shape than every other guy on the field.

I still wish we could have drafted d-line talent (and maybe a Taylor deal could work) but at this point I hope Blache and the guys are harnessing every bit of talent we have.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Personally, I keep waiting for A. Montgomery to form into an A. Haynesworth level DT. I remember Williams talking about Montgomery's unlimited potential, that he did not even understand how good he could be. Since the coaches/FO have chosen to leave the d-line unchanged I keep thinking it could be that they see a break out year ahead too. Then we've got Evans, not much younger than the starters but he seems to produce when he gets his chances.

I'm probably being too optimistic but what I hope to see is a rotation where Griffin and Montgomery can consistently pressure up the middle while Evans and Daniels can swap out. AC doesn't need a rotation because he's in better shape than every other guy on the field.

I still wish we could have drafted d-line talent (and maybe a Taylor deal could work) but at this point I hope Blache and the guys are harnessing every bit of talent we have.

Montgomery is the key. He is now going into his 3rd year and he now has two years under his belt. I'm looking for him to take the next step.

[dmek25]

this is the deal. Taylor has pro bowl skill. Taylor probably has at least 2 more productive seasons. Taylor will be 34. and Taylor makes big money. these stats should be telling everyone, no way we want him here. just say no to J.T.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by dmek25

this is the deal. Taylor has pro bowl skill. Taylor probably has at least 2 more productive seasons. Taylor will be 34. and Taylor makes big money. these stats should be telling everyone, no way we want him here. just say no to J.T.

yeh,yeh but can he dance???

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Giantone

yeh,yeh but can he dance???

Oh, he can dance. He can dance if he wants to; He can leave his team behind. 'Cause his team don't dance, and if they don't dance, well, they're no team of mine.

[Redskins247]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Oh, he can dance. He can dance if he wants to; He can leave his team behind. 'Cause his team don't dance, and if they don't dance, well, they're no team of mine.

Hilarious.....nice one!

[MTK]

Now it's getting interesting:

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