The official 2008 draft discussion thread

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm totally baffled by this post. I think you spend too much time with your metrics and DVOAs and your DPARs that you overanalyze way too often and then you find yourself trying to convince us that we're better off with Tim Rattay, yet Devin Thomas has only shown the ability to run and jump

Forget about me for a second. Is anything I said untrue?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Forget about me for a second. Is anything I said untrue?

Well I don't know what you mean by "We don't know if he's an NFL talent" Technically we don't know that about anyone until they play in an NFL game

And then "nothing he did in college suggests he good at anything football" What does that even mean?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Forget about me for a second. Is anything I said untrue?

Let's look.

We don't really know if Thomas drops passes. We don't know if he runs good routes. We don't know if he's an NFL talent.

I'd stipulate to all of that but you'd have to stipulate that everything you said was irrelevant. We "know" no more about Thomas than any other player in this draft as SS pointed out. We can't possibly preict the future.

Nothing he did in college suggests that he's good at anything football.

Gosh really?
GRec Yds TD Lg Rec/G Avg/C Avg/G
13 79 1260 8 80 6.1 15.9 96.9

NONE of that shows he can play football? None?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

GRec Yds TD Lg Rec/G Avg/C Avg/G
13 79 1260 8 80 6.1 15.9 96.9

NONE of that shows he can play football? None?

Why do you come out if you are Devin Thomas? Why does it make any sense?

You've had a pretty nice season, but you haven't proved that it can be repeated. You have a year of eligibility left, why not return to school, get better at your trade, and help your college team win?

If nothing else, we can tell that Devin Thomas was more interested in a pay day than becoming the best wide receiver he can be. Perhaps I'm wrong on him, and he will be good enough to start in this league. But either way, I'm tired of adding players who are in it for the money.

Obviously to an extent, everyones in it for the money. But that didn't stop most players from waiting a year and improving themselves so that they could become the best they could be. Thomas doesn't seem to be worried about improving himself.

Malcolm Kelly came out early, but his touchdown production went from 2, to 10, to 9. He's done it multiple years and is a far superior prospect to Thomas.

I'm sorry to hate on your guy's parade with reality, but we took a guy on hype, and that rarely works out.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Why do you come out if you are Devin Thomas? Why does it make any sense?

You've had a pretty nice season, but you haven't proved that it can be repeated. You have a year of eligibility left, why not return to school, get better at your trade, and help your college team win?

If nothing else, we can tell that Devin Thomas was more interested in a pay day than becoming the best wide receiver he can be. Perhaps I'm wrong on him, and he will be good enough to start in this league. But either way, I'm tired of adding players who are in it for the money.

Obviously to an extent, everyones in it for the money. But that didn't stop most players from waiting a year and improving themselves so that they could become the best they could be. Thomas doesn't seem to be worried about improving himself.

Malcolm Kelly came out early, but his touchdown production went from 2, to 10, to 9. He's done it multiple years and is a far superior prospect to Thomas.

I'm sorry to hate on your guy's parade with reality, but we took a guy on hype, and that rarely works out.

I think you're going a little too overboard saying the guy isn't interested in improving himself and he's just in it for the money. You don't even know the guy so to make those statements is simply foolish. Perhaps he has family issues. Or perhaps he just doesn't want to risk injury. I don't have a problem with him coming out. I have a problem taking a guy that high just off one year of production.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think you're going a little too overboard saying the guy isn't interested in improving himself and he's just in it for the money. You don't even know the guy so to make those statements is simply foolish. Perhaps he has family issues. Or perhaps he just doesn't want to risk injury. I don't have a problem with him coming out. I have a problem taking a guy that high just off one year of production.

Maybe he does have family issues. Perhaps he is worried about injuries. Maybe from a life standpoint, it made total sense to go pro because he needed the money more than he needed to improve his game.

Again, is that the kind of guy we should be looking to add?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Maybe he does have family issues. Perhaps he is worried about injuries. Maybe from a life standpoint, it made total sense to go pro because he needed the money more than he needed to improve his game.

Again, is that the kind of guy we should be looking to add?

I don't think you can ever fault these guys for trying to cash in. They're one injury away from that dream going down the drain. I don't see where this should be a concern at all.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Maybe he does have family issues. Perhaps he is worried about injuries. Maybe from a life standpoint, it made total sense to go pro because he needed the money more than he needed to improve his game.

Again, is that the kind of guy we should be looking to add?

No. But then again a lot of guys leave early. Honestly I would've taken Manningham or Sweed cause of the production over a period of time.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

No. But then again a lot of guys leave early. Honestly I would've taken Manningham or Sweed cause of the production over a period of time.

I might have taken Sweed with one of our 2nd round picks, but I wouldn't have touched Manningham.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think you're going a little too overboard saying the guy isn't interested in improving himself and he's just in it for the money. You don't even know the guy so to make those statements is simply foolish. Perhaps he has family issues. Or perhaps he just doesn't want to risk injury. I don't have a problem with him coming out. I have a problem taking a guy that high just off one year of production.

Hey I thought you were happily intrigued (that sounds weird) when I mentioned Thomas back in February?

Anyway, solid post. I think you're absolutely right that it's foolish to make such assumptions about Thomas' desire and intentions.