Austrian Man Accused of Unspeakable Crimes

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Does anyone realistically think that a man who repeatedly rapes a child can be reformed?

I'd say no. I also think it is pretty tough to change people at a character level and thats what a lot of crime boils down to.

I'll ask this. Why would we want to? Seriously. Let's say we can work some miracle and turn a piece of crap like this guy into some benevolent vessel of peace and love. Does ANYONE want that? Do we want a guy like this, inspite of his heinous unspeakable crimes, walking around due to some miraculous rehabilitation? I don't. I couldn't care less if he is rehabed or not. He still did the crime. He still took away his daughter's life for 24 years and subjected her and the children to gross human atrocity. Becoming a better person doesn't pay her or society back for his crimes.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I cannot believe that this monster is only facing a maximum of 15 years in prison. I am not at all familiar with the Austrian justice system, but I would think he's probably facing charges of kidnapping, false imprisonment, rape, battery, etc. My guess is the most serious charge is rape and the Austrians have screwy system where the sentences for each count run concurrent to one another, meaning that the convict only serves time for the most egregious offense (which, in this case, is rape). In any case, it stinks.

I'm not particularly fond of justice systems that emphasize rehabilitation. It would be nice if we could send criminals to some school and transform them into law-abiding citizens. But, the simple fact is rehabilitation rarely works. For centuries the U.S. justice system tried to rehab criminals, employing methods ranging from isolating, silencing and beating convicts to having criminals talk things through with counselors. Nothing has worked and, quite frankly, I doubt that any system is capable of taking the worst of the worst and turning them into decent people. Does anyone realistically think that a man who repeatedly rapes a child can be reformed?

Excellent post.

From what I have read, most European systems have concurrent sentencing. They also do not bring additional counts for the related crimes.

[riggins44]

I second the Texas Justice System for this guy. What really amazes me is that his wife had no clue! How do you not know there is a basement or cellar under your house.

[dmek25]

Joe, before we go screaming all over their system, what kind of sentence would this guy be looking at if his crimes were committed here in the United States?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by dmek25

Joe, before we go screaming all over their system, what kind of sentence would this guy be looking at if his crimes were committed here in the United States?

I know you addressed your question to JoeR, but let me take a crack. He'd be facing hundreds of years in prison in just about any state in the country.

[JoeRedskin]

What SGG said.

Honestly, I don't know exactly but certainly life w/out parole is a possibility in every State (I think) and, unlike the European system, he could get consecutive sentences for the kidnapping, false imprisonment, rape, and everything else the could charge him with.

What appears to be a significant difference in the two systems is that, in the US, prosecutors can keep adding charges for different crimes and keep piling on the years.

Mind you, I am not a criminal lawyer - I just play one on the Warpath.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Did you guys read that this sick fuck actually claims that he loved and cared about his "secret family"? He said that if it weren't for him that the 19 who was brought to the hospital would never have survived.
HELLO!!!! If it weren't for you raping your own daughter the 19 year would have never even been born and you could have spared a whole generation of kids being forced to live this nightmare!!!

I'm kind of glad that his piece of shit can't be executed because I think a quick death is much more than he deserves. At the same time it pains me to know that he can't be tortured either.

[BleedBurgundy]

Oh, I think that when he's getting sodomized by Colonel Klink it will count as torture.

[EEich]

Wow... Where was that voice in his head that said "dude, this isn't right"?
If this guy served his time over here... he'd be dead in a week.

[70Chip]

Is it just me or do there seem to be a lot more sex bunkers being built than one would expect? I wouldn't be surprised if that sinkhole was caused by some sex bunkers that caved in.