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[goredskins1983]

SC Skins fan:
#1 i can agree to an extent. nonethless, collins manages the game and offense. campbell just looks uneasy.

#2 is not a good point. Joe Gibbs offenses are all about ball control. When our QB throws for 300 yards, its usually means we are losing. Its all about managing the game and not losing it (ala TB and Dallas game this year, Campbells INTs were costly)

#3 - I want a QB that gives us the best chance to win NOW. How much longer are we going to wait for this guy to lead us deep in the playoffs? 2,3,4 more years? never?
Campbell was highly sought after his 11-0 season with Auburn, mind you they had the #1 D in the nation giving up like 200 yards a game, and he basically just "didnt lose games"
His QB rating has been in the bottom tier of the league the last two years.
Believe me, I hope I am wrong and he takes us to the promise land.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by goredskins1983

SC Skins fan:
#2 is not a good point. Joe Gibbs offenses are all about ball control. When our QB throws for 300 yards, its usually means we are losing. Its all about managing the game and not losing it (ala TB and Dallas game this year, Campbells INTs were costly)

I don't know why I allow myself to get dragged into fruitless arguments, but...

You are running around in circles with your points. Campbell throws for 300 yards only because the Redskins are losing ... fair point, but were the Redskins losing to Dallas because of Campbell? Perhaps you remember the Sean Taylor-less defensive backfield that allowed T.O. to score FOUR TDs? How about in Tampa where Santana Moss fumbled inside the 30, Clinton Portis fumbled inside the 30, and then (admittedly) Campbell fumbled inside the 30 (something he certainly did too much of last season). But the point is, the fact that Campbell was playing from behind or forced to pass is not in itself an indictment of Campbell. I think you really ought to go back and watch some of those games again because I think you are looking back through Todd Collins tinted glasses. You say Campbell looked 'uneasy' and yet at the time many commentators and many here were describing him as 'poised' (go watch the Detroit game or the first Philly game - if you can make it past the endless Charles Barkley commentary - or any number of other games) - my point is you are making up your own history to suit your own purposes.

The larger point here (which I tried to make earlier with sarcasm) is that Todd Collins made those exact same kinds of mistakes that you indict Campbell for during the Seattle game when he was forced to play from behind and the Skins could not mix in a healthy dose of the run game. He was under heavy pressure (as Campbell often was), he was playing from behind, and he turned the ball over too. As I said, luckily you are the only one calling for Todd Collins to start because it is the height of absurdity.