Jason Campbell pulled his hammy

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

Its about the system and how quickly one can adapt. Ben beat both the SuperBowl teams two weeks straight Eagles and Patriots whom both had one loss between them at the time and only loss in one start that season before losing in the playoffs.After his Superbowl season he started every game except the season opener (missed after having appendectomy)…broke the team single-game record for completions as he posted 38 against Denver…his 433 yards passing against Denver were the second-highest total in team history…finished the season with a career-best 3,513 passing yards with 18 touchdowns.It wasn't Jerome Bettis or the defense that got him there because if so what happened when Maddox and Batch start? As for Rivers do you not remember that herioc drive vs Seattle his first starting season? Last play of the game was a pass to Vincent Jackson in the back of the endzone. Also if it wasn't for an injured knee he would've taking out the Patriots in the Afc Championship. Phillip Rivers is 25-7 as a starter..what other stats you need?

So the running game that both teams have did nothing for them? You mean to tell me that if you take away Tomlinson and Pittsburgh running attack that Rivers and Ben are on the same level as Brady and Manning? I don't believe it. I am not saying that they are bad QB's, but what I am trying to say is that they fell into teams with a good system in place...

[prinzeofmoval]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

So the running game that both teams have did nothing for them? You mean to tell me that if you take away Tomlinson and Pittsburgh running attack that Rivers and Ben are on the same level as Brady and Manning? I don't believe it. I am not saying that they are bad QB's, but what I am trying to say is that they fell into teams with a good system in place...

Like the message started out the are in a system they were able to adapt to. L.T. is the best back in the league of course it helped having him back there. Yet it does matter about the Qb also. Matt Leinart(whom I love dearly as a passionate U.S.C. fan) fell into a perfect system where he shouldv'e rocked yet he's getting rocked, lets face it leinart grabbed way more press into the draft then Ben and Phillip. Its how well you adapt and work your skill.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

Like the message started out the are in a system they were able to adapt to. L.T. is the best back in the league of course it helped having him back there. Yet it does matter about the Qb also. Matt Leinart(whom I love dearly as a passionate U.S.C. fan) fell into a perfect system where he shouldv'e rocked yet he's getting rocked, lets face it leinart grabbed way more press into the draft then Ben and Phillip. Its how well you adapt and work your skill.

True, that Leinart fell in to a system with 2 pro-bowl receivers but lets face facts also, the O-line that Leinart has to protect him is far from being one of the best in the league. I mean that line last season gave up 24 sacks and only alowed there running game to average 3.6 yards a carry only leaving KC and the Bears worse than them. Where Ben and Rivers not only fell in to a good system but they also fell in to good teams...

[prinzeofmoval]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

True, that Leinart fell in to a system with 2 pro-bowl receivers but lets face facts also, the O-line that Leinart has to protect him is far from being one of the best in the league. I mean that line last season gave up 24 sacks and only alowed there running game to average 3.6 yards a carry only leaving KC and the Bears worse than them. Where Ben and Rivers not only fell in to a good system but they also fell in to good teams...

I give you the O-line bit...But only person who benefit from that was Big Ben..Phillip Rivers line isn't much to go bragging about. Last year they didn't give any help to Rivers or L.T. who looked more like Barry Sanders who had to create his own runs rather then Willie Parker who got 4 yards before he was touched.

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

So the running game that both teams have did nothing for them? You mean to tell me that if you take away Tomlinson and Pittsburgh running attack that Rivers and Ben are on the same level as Brady and Manning? I don't believe it. I am not saying that they are bad QB's, but what I am trying to say is that they fell into teams with a good system in place...

Campbell had a HOF coach, and an apparent HOF back in his prime, with as good or better receiving corps as either of those teams, and he also had a very good defense as well. Campbell has a ton to prove we better hope that the WCO makes a bell go off in his head because he's been inadequate to say the least so far in his career.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

Campbell had a HOF coach, and an apparent HOF back in his prime, with as good or better receiving corps as either of those teams, and he also had a very good defense as well. Campbell has a ton to prove we better hope that the WCO makes a bell go off in his head because he's been inadequate to say the least so far in his career.

I understand what you are saying, I am not defending Campbell. I am just saying that Ben and Rivers had everything set up for them to succeed. And the one thing that you are missing is that Campbell did not have a very good playcaller and the offense that he was running has not fully matured under Sanders and Gibbs. I guess you could say that some of the offense was predictable at times...

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

I understand what you are saying, I am not defending Campbell. I am just saying that Ben and Rivers had everything set up for them to succeed. And the one thing that you are missing is that Campbell did not have a very good playcaller and the offense that he was running has not fully matured under Sanders and Gibbs. I guess you could say that some of the offense was predictable at times...

I agree. Hello everyone Im new to Warpath.

I think Gibbs didn't give JC a chance to prove himself. Also why blame JC for the Dallas/Tampa games(or any of the other 5 losses) when his teammates were not doing their part. I think JC did well with what he had to work with.

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

I agree. Hello everyone Im new to Warpath.

I think Gibbs didn't give JC a chance to prove himself. Also why blame JC for the Dallas/Tampa games(or any of the other 5 losses) when his teammates were not doing their part. I think JC did well with what he had to work with.

Welcome to the board redskinsgirl.

As far as your thoughts on Gibbs and JC, I think he and Saunders gave JC as much as they thought he could handle. Saunders' offense probably wasn't the best fit for him and coupled with the usual QB growing pains, he struggled a bit. Hopefully he'll improve dramatically under Zorn.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

I agree. Hello everyone Im new to Warpath.

I think Gibbs didn't give JC a chance to prove himself. Also why blame JC for the Dallas/Tampa games(or any of the other 5 losses) when his teammates were not doing their part. I think JC did well with what he had to work with.

Welcome to the board.

Why do you say that Gibbs didn't give Campbell a chance to prove himself? Are you saying that they limited the offense when he was in there and then opened it up for Collins?

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Welcome to the board.

Why do you say that Gibbs didn't give Campbell a chance to prove himself? Are you saying that they limited the offense when he was in there and then opened it up for Collins?

Yes I felt they limited the offense with him. I feel that Gibbs just wanted to ease him into the system. I think they trust Collins a little more because he was in the system longer.

I feel some fans haven't given JC a chance. He only played 16 games. He may not have played like Brady, but he didn't do a bad job.