Jason Campbell pulled his hammy

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

I think your misunderstanding everyone's thoughts on Collins, 1, teams aren't going to give a huge contract to a career backup who had success in 4 games and lost the last game he played, 2, Collins success was more of an indictment on Campbells lack there of, in other words if a career backup who is really a little old to be playing the position can come in and turn our season around then what is wrong with Campbell?

See post # 51. I wouldn't say Collins "turned our season around", that's giving the guy a bit too much credit. The 100+ yards rushing per game, solid defense, weather, and the Cowboys locking up home field had a great deal more to do with our last 4 wins than Collins QB play (not to say he wasn't solid).

Bottom line is Campbell gives the Redskins a better chance to win games now than Collins and also has a tremendous upside. He is our QB for at least the next two years barring serious injury.

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

See post # 51. I wouldn't say Collins "turned our season around", that's giving the guy a bit too much credit. The 100+ yards rushing per game, solid defense, weather, and the Cowboys locking up home field had a great deal more to do with our last 4 wins than Collins QB play (not to say he wasn't solid).

Bottom line is Campbell gives the Redskins a better chance to win games now than Collins and also has a tremendous upside. He is our QB for at least the next two years barring serious injury.

And what is not being understood is that Collins ability to read a defense and find the open man is why the running game opened up, defenses could no longer stack the box, as well as his ability to maintain drives helped keep our defense off the field, so they were fresh when they were on the field.

Campbell has a lot to prove, because he has proven nothing up till now. Tremendous upside? Athletically, yes, mentally? I haven't seen a hint of that upside, QB is all about the smarts, the NFL is full of athletically gifted dummy's at QB.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

Campbell has a lot to prove, because he has proven nothing up till now. Tremendous upside? Athletically, yes, mentally? I haven't seen a hint of that upside, QB is all about the smarts, the NFL is full of athletically gifted dummy's at QB.

Are you implying Campbell is a "dummy"? Did you not read post # 51?

I'm sure we will be referring back to this thread once the season starts. I'll take the heat if Campbell fails to develop, but be sure I'll be calling out you and those that said or implied JC doesn't have the smarts to cut it when we see improvement.

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Are you implying Campbell is a "dummy"? Did you not read post # 51
I'm sure we will be referring back to this thread once the season starts. I'll take the heat if Campbell fails to develop, but be sure I'll be calling out you and those that said or implied JC doesn't have the smarts to cut it when we see improvement.

Are you implying Campbell is a "dummy"? Did you not read post # 51?

So far he has been on the field, not to say he's Joe pisarcik out there, but he's shown no real ability to read a defense and pick it apart.

You imply that Campbell lacks "brains". I would say the Wonderlic test is a good raw indicator of "brains". Campbell scored a 28. Lets look at some other "smart" QBs: Hasselbeck - 29, Peyton Manning - 25, Marc Bulger - 29, Drew Brees - 28, Carson Palmer - 26, Tom Brady - 33. Not only is your statement insulting, it's flat-out wrong. Before you make statements like that you should check your facts so you don't appear to lack "brains".

You may want to re check your facts on the wonderlic scores Cambell scored a 23.

NFL Quarterback Wonderlic scores

From what I have heard is a player can study to pass the wonderlic which doesn't necessarily make him smart, 1 thing for sure is that test will never measure football smarts which really comes down to instinct at the position, if you look at those test scores there are a lot of high scores from players who couldn't sniff the field.

Bottom line is the player needs to prove it on the field and Campbell has been far from that, lets hope the WCO which has made many a QB look much better than he really was gets him going.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

So far he has been on the field, not to say he's Joe pisarcik out there, but he's shown no real ability to read a defense and pick it apart.




You may want to re check your facts on the wonderlic scores Cambell scored a 23.

NFL Quarterback Wonderlic scores

From what I have heard is a player can study to pass the wonderlic which doesn't necessarily make him smart, 1 thing for sure is that test will never measure football smarts which really comes down to instinct at the position, if you look at those test scores there are a lot of high scores from players who couldn't sniff the field.

Bottom line is the player needs to prove it on the field and Campbell has been far from that, lets hope the WCO which has made many a QB look much better than he really was gets him going.

The initial article I referenced is listed first. I double-checked my facts from reputable/reliable sources.

Rumors and Rants: Bring On The Annual Wonderlic Fun

USATODAY.com

NFL Draft - NFL draft preview and analysis from Pro Football Weekly

Before I quote a blog from some strategic analyst at a non-profit in Northern VA who used to work for the college paper, I would make sure he has the right info, which he doesn't. I've seen the number of 23 on a couple of other blogs which is probably the average of the three times Campbell took the test. The first time he got a 14, the second a 27, the third a 28.

I guess we'll just have to wait for the season because although Campbell has made some mistakes he has made some very good plays and is making progress and will be at worst a solid NFL QB.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

The initial article I referenced is listed first. I double-checked my facts from reputable/reliable sources.

Rumors and Rants: Bring On The Annual Wonderlic Fun

USATODAY.com

NFL Draft - NFL draft preview and analysis from Pro Football Weekly

Before I quote a blog from some strategic analyst at a non-profit in Northern VA who used to work for the college paper, I would make sure he has the right info, which he doesn't. I've seen the number of 23 on a couple of other blogs which is probably the average of the three times Campbell took the test. The first time he got a 14, the second a 27, the third a 28.

I guess we'll just have to wait for the season because although Campbell has made some mistakes he has made some very good plays and is making progress and will be at worst a solid NFL QB.

Who cares about this test? Alex Smith scored a 40, was the #1 pick of the 05 draft and he's not NFL material.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Who cares about this test? Alex Smith scored a 40, was the #1 pick of the 05 draft and he's not NFL material.

I pulled this info in response to people who implied/said that Campbell "lacked brains". Based on the Wonderlic, his scores are in line with some of the top NFL QBs. I would say that the personnel departments of every NFL team care about the Wonderlic or they wouldn't give the test or use it in their player evaluations.

Are there several other factors that go into someone developing into a solid NFL QB, absolutely.