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[saden1]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'm pretty "pro-environment," but I have to wonder what harm would it do to drill in Alaska. Supposing we drilled in some remote forest and there was a spill, would it be that hard to clean up? I would think that a oil spill on land would be pretty contained.

After you sucked Alaska dry what's the game plan? If people referred to drilling ANWR as a short term solution I'd have less of a problem but people act like it's a viable solution which solves the fundamental problem. What happens 10-15 years from now? Drilling ANWR is a hack just like the gas tax relief being flaunted.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by saden1

After you sucked Alaska dry what's the game plan? If people referred to drilling ANWR as a short term solution I'd have less of a problem but people act like it's a viable solution which solves the fundamental problem. What happens 10-15 years from now? Drilling ANWR is a hack just like the gas tax relief being flaunted.

Who ever said this was a long term solution? This is something that will help us NOW, which is what we need. The future plan is some kind of alternative energy, but right now, none of them are economically feasible. Right now we need more oil and the only way to do that is to drill for more.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by saden1

After you sucked Alaska dry what's the game plan? If people referred to drilling ANWR as a short term solution I'd have less of a problem but people act like it's a viable solution which solves the fundamental problem. What happens 10-15 years from now? Drilling ANWR is a hack just like the gas tax relief being flaunted.

I think it is pretty evident that our oil addiction is a big problem. I also believe that drilling in Alaska isn't a cure-all. However, I think it's an option we should pursue, given that will buy us time to find more permanent solutions.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I think it is pretty evident that our oil addiction is a big problem. I also believe that drilling in Alaska isn't a cure-all. However, I think it's an option we should pursue, given that will buy us time to find more permanent solutions.

Suppose ANWR is depleted, where is your emergency/strategic reserve going to come from?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by saden1

Suppose ANWR is depleted, where is your emergency/strategic reserve going to come from?

Good point. I guess we should forget drilling in ANWR because it will run it too.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by saden1

Suppose ANWR is depleted, where is your emergency/strategic reserve going to come from?

Drilling offshore in the Atlantic and the Pacific, the Bakken oil field in Montana and North Dakota, the 1.5 trillion barrels of oil shale under Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming. The technology to extract the oil from the shale has improved greatly, so we can get that oil if we really need it.

What do you suggest we do about our huge oil problem? I know that you probably want to find alternative energy sources, but we need a lot more time to develop them. This will buy us that time.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by steveo395

Drilling offshore in the Atlantic and the Pacific, the Bakken oil field in Montana and North Dakota, the 1.5 trillion barrels of oil shale under Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming. The technology to extract the oil from the shale has improved greatly, so we can get that oil if we really need it.

Umm, why aren't the energy companies drilling these supposed bountiful locations in the Atlantic and Pacific? And why aren't they investing in drilling these oil shells? Maybe the government should be helping them out? Get real, if it's clean and viable you bet your ass it would be happening right now. Oil companies are happy where they are and could care less about the environment.

Originally Posted by steveo395

What do you suggest we do about our huge oil problem? I know that you probably want to find alternative energy sources, but we need a lot more time to develop them. This will buy us that time.

Massive government funded, academia centered research into alternative fuel (water based solution in particular). Real investment in mass transit.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by saden1

Umm, why aren't the energy companies drilling these supposed bountiful locations in the Atlantic and Pacific? And why aren't they investing in drilling these oil shells? Maybe the government should be helping them out? Get real, if it's clean and viable you bet your ass it would be happening right now. Oil companies are happy where they are and could care less about the environment.

Massive government funded, academia centered research into alternative fuel (water based solution in particular). Real investment in mass transit.

They're not drilling there because the government won't let them.
They are investing in oil shale.
Why would oil companies want to stay where they are when there is more oil for them to drill, thus allowing them to make more money.

This is going to raise taxes a lot when we're in a recession... not a smart move. The government is already doing some investing and so is the private sector. Just give it time and there will be a viable solution. Mass transit is never going to work here as well as it does in Europe. Our country is totally different. Everything is a lot farther apart and there are a lot less cities.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by steveo395

Drilling offshore in the Atlantic and the Pacific, the Bakken oil field in Montana and North Dakota, the 1.5 trillion barrels of oil shale under Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming. The technology to extract the oil from the shale has improved greatly, so we can get that oil if we really need it.

What do you suggest we do about our huge oil problem? I know that you probably want to find alternative energy sources, but we need a lot more time to develop them. This will buy us that time.

Pretty timely article in this week's BusinessWeek

The Majors Look West, Again

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by saden1

Suppose ANWR is depleted, where is your emergency/strategic reserve going to come from?

Did you mean to imply that ANWR is our current emergency/strategic reserve? If so, ANWR is pretty crappy strategic reserve. I'm no oilman, but I think it's safe to say that it would take months or even years to set up rigs and pipelines for us to start getting oil from ANWR. So, if you're concerned about having an emergency/strategic reserve, don't you think we should get moving on drilling in ANWR asap? Currently, ANWR isn't a resource we can rely on to effectively deal with crises.