Colt Brennan

[skinsfan69]

Can anyone name a run and shoot QB that has made it in the pros? Or anyone that has played for June Jones? Or anyone that plays from the shotgun most of the time? I can't name one.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Can anyone name a run and shoot QB that has made it in the pros? Or anyone that has played for June Jones? Or anyone that plays from the shotgun most of the time? I can't name one.

Warren Moon, Houston Oilers. Hall of Famer. Houston ran the "run and shoot" with Jack Pardee as head coach and June Jones was the QB coach.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Warren Moon, Houston Oilers. Hall of Famer. Houston ran the "run and shoot" with Jack Pardee as head coach and June Jones was the QB coach.

I meant someone who played in this type of system in college.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Can anyone name a run and shoot QB that has made it in the pros? Or anyone that has played for June Jones? Or anyone that plays from the shotgun most of the time? I can't name one.

Moon?

Colt didn't play in a run and shoot, he played in a spread, which produces successful passers at the same rate as pro style college offenses.

If Brennan was successful in the NFL after falling to the 6th round, it would be unprecedented. Then again, his statistics in college were totally unprecedented. There's a big difference between Chang's numbers, and Brennan's, and presumably, there will be a difference in the way they adapt to the pro game.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Moon?

Colt didn't play in a run and shoot, he played in a spread, which produces successful passers at the same rate as pro style college offenses.

If Brennan was successful in the NFL after falling to the 6th round, it would be unprecedented. Then again, his statistics in college were totally unprecedented. There's a big difference between Chang's numbers, and Brennan's, and presumably, there will be a difference in the way they adapt to the pro game.

Colt definitely played in the Run & Shoot, this is June Jones' favored system. He also used it when he was HC in Atlanta. The Spread has evolved from the same offensive "tree" though.

skinsfan69 is right, I couldn't name any average or better NFL QBs that came from a college offense that was primarily a shotgun based offense. If you can name some, I'd like to hear what you come up with. Alex Smith & Vince Young come to mind, but I would argue neither is an "average" NFL QB right now. But the jury is still out on both of them.

What was the major difference in numbers between Chang & Brennan? Chang set the NCAA record for career passing yards and is third on the all-time TD list behing Brennan. Let's hope there is a difference in how Brennan adapts, Chang is in the CFL.

Not the norm but not unprecedented, for a 6th round or later QB to be successful, Brady, Derek Anderson, Matt Hasselbeck, Romo (undrafted), Jeff Garcia (undrafted), Trent Green (8th Round), Kurt Warner (undrafted)

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Colt definitely played in the Run & Shoot, this is June Jones' favored system. He also used it when he was HC in Atlanta. The Spread has evolved from the same offensive "tree" though.

skinsfan69 is right, I couldn't name any average or better NFL QBs that came from a college offense that was primarily a shotgun based offense. If you can name some, I'd like to hear what you come up with. Alex Smith & Vince Young come to mind, but I would argue neither is an "average" NFL QB right now. But the jury is still out on both of them.

What was the major difference in numbers between Chang & Brennan? Chang set the NCAA record for career passing yards and is third on the all-time TD list behing Brennan. Let's hope there is a difference in how Brennan adapts, Chang is in the CFL.

Not the norm but not unprecedented, for a 6th round or later QB to be successful, Brady, Derek Anderson, Matt Hasselbeck, Romo (undrafted), Jeff Garcia (undrafted), Trent Green (8th Round), Kurt Warner (undrafted)

Exactly...and if he doesn't work out...so what? It only cost us a 6th rounder. No big deal.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Colt definitely played in the Run & Shoot, this is June Jones' favored system. He also used it when he was HC in Atlanta. The Spread has evolved from the same offensive "tree" though.

skinsfan69 is right, I couldn't name any average or better NFL QBs that came from a college offense that was primarily a shotgun based offense. If you can name some, I'd like to hear what you come up with. Alex Smith & Vince Young come to mind, but I would argue neither is an "average" NFL QB right now. But the jury is still out on both of them.

What was the major difference in numbers between Chang & Brennan? Chang set the NCAA record for career passing yards and is third on the all-time TD list behing Brennan. Let's hope there is a difference in how Brennan adapts, Chang is in the CFL.

Not the norm but not unprecedented, for a 6th round or later QB to be successful, Brady, Derek Anderson, Matt Hasselbeck, Romo (undrafted), Jeff Garcia (undrafted), Trent Green (8th Round), Kurt Warner (undrafted)

There's one big name you guys are forgetting. Drew Brees. Also, don't forget Ben Roethlisberger. Miami (OH) was a spread offense when he played there.

Also a handful of others with a track record of success or at least potential. Culpepper at UCF. Leftwich at Marshall. Kolb at Houston last year, is a guy that most scouts thought had 2nd round skill, and did go in the second round. Flacco played out of the Shotgun primarily at Delaware.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Moon?

Colt didn't play in a run and shoot, he played in a spread, which produces successful passers at the same rate as pro style college offenses.

If Brennan was successful in the NFL after falling to the 6th round, it would be unprecedented. Then again, his statistics in college were totally unprecedented. There's a big difference between Chang's numbers, and Brennan's, and presumably, there will be a difference in the way they adapt to the pro game.

June Jones coaches the run and shoot offense which has 4-5 wr's on the field at all times and is a pass first offense. The knock on it is the QB is never ever under center. Jack Pardee also ran it when he coached at Houston in college. Andre Ware and David Klingler would put up huge huge passing stats. I think I remember these guys throwing for 600-700 yards in some games. However not one of them ever made it in the pro game. No Qb's that play in the system ever seem to make the transition to the pro game.

The spread is what Alex Smith and Vince Young ran at college and it's run by West Virginia and Florida. The field is spread out by formation but you could have a fullback and a TE on he field most of the time. And you run the option from the shotgun. It's a run first offense.

[SBXVII]

Where did Spurier go? His system is in effect a "Run and Shoot" offense. No matter what fancy names he wants to call it.

[ptracy20]

Guys please remember one thing. Colt had a great season playing in a pass happy offense agianst sub par teams. In the bowl game agianst Georgia his first real test all year he looked awful. He is a career backup at best and never anything more.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by ptracy20

Guys please remember one thing. Colt had a great season playing in a pass happy offense agianst sub par teams. In the bowl game agianst Georgia his first real test all year he looked awful. He is a career backup at best and never anything more.

You must be a professional scout. Seems you have based your opinion on one game? How about we base our opinion of the Redskins entire team based on one game last year. The Patriots game. I wouldn't want any of those guys on my team. They all looked horrible.

If a quarterback plays in a game in which his offensive line is completely outmatched he is going to get killed 9 times out of 10. I really wouldn't put much stock into that Sugar Bowl. What kind of performance do you think Brennan could have had against Georgia had he let's say been under center behind Matt Ryan's BC line?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by ptracy20

Guys please remember one thing. Colt had a great season playing in a pass happy offense agianst sub par teams. In the bowl game agianst Georgia his first real test all year he looked awful. He is a career backup at best and never anything more.

So by that logic, players that played in division 2, or lower aren't worth a spot cause they don't play the cream of the crop? I don't remember what Mississippi Valley St was, but I am fairly certain it wasn't Division 1, and Jerry Rice turned out to be quite a player.
I'm not saying Colt is the next Jerry Rice (for obvious reasons), but I am saying there can be some serious talent outside of the usual places.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by ptracy20

Guys please remember one thing. Colt had a great season playing in a pass happy offense agianst sub par teams. In the bowl game agianst Georgia his first real test all year he looked awful. He is a career backup at best and never anything more.

Are you seriously faulting a guy for his teams performance against a superior SEC team. There was only 1 other playmaker on that offensive unit. Everyone else was just a body lining up against the superior recruiting of Georgia. Oh you're right, I can see how that is Colt Brennan's fault.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Angry

Are you seriously faulting a guy for his teams performance against a superior SEC team. There was only 1 other playmaker on that offensive unit. Everyone else was just a body lining up against the superior recruiting of Georgia. Oh you're right, I can see how that is Colt Brennan's fault.

I agree, and no I'm not a Georgia fan (or a Tech fan for that matter), far from it actually but if you watched the game Brennen had almost no time to throw. I will admit Brennen made some bad plays when he didn't have pressure, but for the most part there was a Georgia defender in his face almost everytime he dropped back to pass, and despite that he was able to get the ball off. Of course in the end he was sacked 8 times, and personally a lot of those sacks looked like he was reached in less then 3 seconds, not necessarily sacked, but close enough to prevent him from setting his feet. If you don't believe me then see for yourself.



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[30gut]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

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