Time to extend Jason Campbell?

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

Please learn to comprehend, the comparison of the offenses was to show the similarities between Gibbs, and Saunders so to rule out the new offense excuse that is constantly used for Campbell, it wasnt a drastically changed new offense, every coach will have variations on how a specific offense is run, but the foundation of the offense is the same. JUST LIKE THE WCO OFFENSE WHICH IS A BASIC PHILOSOPHY BUT VARIES FROM COACH TO COACH.

Who cares why Collins was starting? He did, and he ran the offense far beyond anything we have seen from Campbell, and Collins is a nobody in the realm of NFL QB's. Which brings us back to Campbells ability to run an NFL offense efficiently, and he hasn't so far.



So when did Campbell put up 35 points? But I guess you have figured out that it was all the WR's fault, the same WR's who actually started to produce when Collins took over.

It sounds to me like you have Campbell figured out to be something more than he has shown, he is what he is, a 4th year QB who has performed so far very sub par.

When did Collins put up 35 points? He had 5 TD in four games. The Giants game he had zero TD's. You have a QB with a 102 rating only putting up only 5 TD in four games? Look at Brady, Manning, and even Romo. They have put up 4 TDs in one game. Lets be real the offense was horrible last year. The play calling was horrible whether Collins or Campbell was in the game.

I don't think Sammy was just blaming the WR's. I think he was saying Campbell had a lot of help with those seven losses.

Also the WR's were healthy when they played with Collins.

Also Campbell wasn't the only skins QB who struggled with Saunders offense, Brunell struggled also.

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

When did Collins put up 35 points? He had 5 TD in four games. The Giants game he had zero TD's. You have a QB with a 102 rating only putting up only 5 TD in four games? Look at Brady, Manning, and even Romo. They have put up 4 TDs in one game. Lets be real the offense was horrible last year. The play calling was horrible whether Collins or Campbell was in the game.

I don't think Sammy was just blaming the WR's. I think he was saying Campbell had a lot of help with those seven losses.

Also the WR's were healthy when they played with Collins.

Also Campbell wasn't the only skins QB who struggled with Saunders offense, Brunell struggled also.

Just more excuses, bottom line, Collins moved the ball and Campbell couldn't, and your really not helping campbells cause with the Brunell comparisons.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

Just more excuses, bottom line, Collins moved the ball and Campbell couldn't, and your really not helping campbells cause with the Brunell comparisons.

Dude, why don't you just start your own semi-pro franchise. You can send the Danny a 50 million dollar check to sell the rights to a 37 yr old QB, and then you can pay him like ten million dollars a year to be the cornerstone of your team.

I'm sure you'd be very successful.

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Dude, why don't you just start your own semi-pro franchise. You can send the Danny a 50 million dollar check to sell the rights to a 37 yr old QB, and then you can pay him like ten million dollars a year to be the cornerstone of your team.

I'm sure you'd be very successful.

Whatever that's supposed to mean??????????????????????????????

[MTK]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

Just more excuses, bottom line, Collins moved the ball and Campbell couldn't, and your really not helping campbells cause with the Brunell comparisons.

I did some homework to see if your opinion held any water and this is what I came up with.

In Campbell's 13 starts he averaged 217.4 yards passing per game. The offense as a whole averaged 358 yards per game during that time.

As for Collins in his 4 regular season games he averaged 213.5 yards passing per game. Meanwhile the offense averaged 343 yards per game during that time.

The biggest discrepancy came in points per game. Campbell averaged 17.6 (slightly skewed due to 0 points scored in the game vs. Chicago when he went down) in the lineup while Collins averaged 26.3. I'm guessing a good reason for this could have been more aggressive playcalling in the redzone when Collins was in the lineup.

But other than that your opinion that Campbell couldn't move the ball doesn't really make sense. He was clearly able to move the ball slightly better than Collins, but it appears that Collins was more effective at getting the ball into the end zone. Again, perhaps a function of the playcalling in the redzone.

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I did some homework to see if your opinion held any water and this is what I came up with.

In Campbell's 13 starts he averaged 217.4 yards passing per game. The offense as a whole averaged 358 yards per game during that time.

As for Collins in his 4 regular season games he averaged 213.5 yards passing per game. Meanwhile the offense averaged 343 yards per game during that time.

The biggest discrepancy came in points per game. Campbell averaged 17.6 (slightly skewed due to 0 points scored in the game vs. Chicago when he went down) in the lineup while Collins averaged 26.3. I'm guessing a good reason for this could have been more aggressive playcalling in the redzone when Collins was in the lineup.

But other than that your opinion that Campbell couldn't move the ball doesn't really make sense. He was clearly able to move the ball slightly better than Collins, but it appears that Collins was more effective at getting the ball into the end zone. Again, perhaps a function of the play calling in the red zone.

Can anyone here see the difference in our offense between the 2?

More aggressive play calling? Come on! Who you kidding, I can't believe the excuses being laid out for Campbell, it's every ones fault but him, so what if he moved the ball outside the red zone [occasionally] stats can get awfully scewed as well, bottom line our offense was playing with confidence under Collins, not with Campbell, does anyone really think we make the playoffs last season if Campbell doesn't go down?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

Can anyone here see the difference in our offense between the 2?

More aggressive play calling? Come on! Who you kidding, I can't believe the excuses being laid out for Campbell, it's every ones fault but him, so what if he moved the ball outside the red zone [occasionally] stats can get awfully scewed as well, bottom line our offense was playing with confidence under Collins, not with Campbell, does anyone really think we make the playoffs last season if Campbell doesn't go down?

I thought it was pretty obvious that the playcalling was more aggressive with Collins in the lineup and rightfully so. He knew the offense inside and out, while Campbell was in his 2nd season in it.

If it wasn't playcalling then what was it? Because the stats simply don't support your claim that JC couldn't move the ball.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I thought it was pretty obvious that the playcalling was more aggressive with Collins in the lineup and rightfully so. He knew the offense inside and out, while Campbell was in his 2nd season in it.

If it wasn't playcalling then what was it? Because the stats simply don't support your claim that JC couldn't move the ball.

I agree that the playcalling was more agressive but thats because TC could handle it while JC couldnt. JC has to improve his throwing technique and his decision making speed. Last year TC was light years faster so we'll have to see if JC can make any improvement. I really think this is a make or break year for JC. He has been in the league awhile now and this is not the coaching staff that gave up a bunch of picks to draft him, he has to perform or I really believe Zorn & Co will look for another QB.

BTW, I can state for the record that I am not and never have been hogtimus prime.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

Can anyone here see the difference in our offense between the 2?

More aggressive play calling? Come on! Who you kidding, I can't believe the excuses being laid out for Campbell, it's every ones fault but him, so what if he moved the ball outside the red zone [occasionally] stats can get awfully scewed as well, bottom line our offense was playing with confidence under Collins, not with Campbell, does anyone really think we make the playoffs last season if Campbell doesn't go down?

I can't believe your continued defense of a weak and wrong (as many have shown in this thread) argument. As SC Fan so eloquently put it, we're "casting pearls before swine".

I can't wait for the season, I'll definitely be referring back to this thread....weekly.