Updated: Redskins Trade for Vikings DE Erasmus James

[skinsfan_nn]

There's nothing about this move that has me jumping for joy, like problem answered OR we now have some stud at DE, couldn't be any further from the truth. This guy has proven he can not stay healthy could not even pass a recent physical in Minn., what makes me think he all of a sudden will? Nothing!

I will take a wait and see approach on him, first off just see if the kid can pass the physical tomorrow. If so we didn't as it appears give up much of anything for him IF he happens to make the team. If we get VERY lucky maybe the kid can provide depth at DE for us something that surely would not hurt. But with his injury track record I'm not very optimistic about him providing much of anything to our team.

[Rajmahal33]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

There's nothing about this move that has me jumping for joy, like problem answered OR we now have some stud at DE, couldn't be any further from the truth. This guy has proven he can not stay healthy could not even pass a recent physical in Minn., what makes me think he all of a sudden will? Nothing!

I will take a wait and see approach on him, first off just see if the kid can pass the physical tomorrow. If so we didn't as it appears give up much of anything for him IF he happens to make the team. If we get VERY lucky maybe the kid can provide depth at DE for us something that surely would not hurt. But with his injury track record I'm not very optimistic about him providing much of anything to our team.

It's not often you can "answer" a problem or find a "stud" at DE for a conditional 7th round pick. I would be content if this guy could be a 3rd down pass rush DE. It brings up an interesting point...how many sacks/tackles/hurries etc does James have to produce before ppl will be saying that this guy was "worth it"?

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

...how many sacks/tackles/hurries etc does James have to produce before ppl will be saying that this guy was "worth it"?

That, my friend, depends on how much we are paying him.
I say...1 sack for every 150k...for example, if we are paying him 600k...he better give us 4 sacks

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

That, my friend, depends on how much we are paying him.
I say...1 sack for every 150k...for example, if we are paying him 600k...he better give us 4 sacks

so for 1.5mill we get 10 sacks? for 3mill we get 20? that's the best value ever :P

i mean, there's not a single team that'd pass on paying a DE 16$mill a year if he got 32 sacks every season (and that's over three times your retail sack value).

the problem, of course, is that the NFL sacks for cash equation isn't linear by any means.

also, such a thing would be a bit shortsighted, since, by that standard, making 8 game winning tackles while having 0 sacks would be a failure to attain value...

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by That Guy

so for 1.5mill we get 10 sacks? for 3mill we get 20? that's the best value ever :P

i mean, there's not a single team that'd pass on paying a DE 16$mill a year if he got 32 sacks every season (and that's over three times your retail sack value).

the problem, of course, is that the NFL sacks for cash equation isn't linear by any means.

also, such a thing would be a bit shortsighted, since, by that standard, making 8 game winning tackles while having 0 sacks would be a failure to attain value...

And by that rational theres little incentive to play the run, since the players livlihood would be based on how many sacks he got.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

And by that rational theres little incentive to play the run, since the players livlihood would be based on how many sacks he got.

It--quite literally--"wouldn't be in his contract".

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by That Guy

so for 1.5mill we get 10 sacks? for 3mill we get 20? that's the best value ever :P

i mean, there's not a single team that'd pass on paying a DE 16$mill a year if he got 32 sacks every season (and that's over three times your retail sack value).

the problem, of course, is that the NFL sacks for cash equation isn't linear by any means.

also, such a thing would be a bit shortsighted, since, by that standard, making 8 game winning tackles while having 0 sacks would be a failure to attain value...

I was just responding to a post that asked...how many sacks do you need to feel we broke even...I thought he'd be making 600k...So I figured 4 sacks is good for that....at 1 mil...6 sacks would be great.
I know its not linear...just trying to respond with a reasonable sack expectation....now that we know he's 1 million...i would be very happy with a 6 sack year....wouldn't you?..regarding the incentive to play the run ...James aint good at that...he'll be a situational pass rusher at best....now lets just hope he passes the physical...

We see it all the time...if a team wants to cut someone with injury histories...all they have to do is fail them...then somehow....another team miraculously passes them.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I was just responding to a post that asked...how many sacks do you need to feel we broke even...I thought he'd be making 600k...So I figured 4 sacks is good for that....at 1 mil...6 sacks would be great.
I know its not linear...just trying to respond with a reasonable sack expectation....now that we know he's 1 million...i would be very happy with a 6 sack year....wouldn't you?..regarding the incentive to play the run ...James aint good at that...he'll be a situational pass rusher at best....now lets just hope he passes the physical...

We see it all the time...if a team wants to cut someone with injury histories...all they have to do is fail them...then somehow....another team miraculously passes them.

how many backup DEs get 6 sacks in a year? i think those expectations are pretty unrealistic.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by That Guy

how many backup DEs get 6 sacks in a year? i think those expectations are pretty unrealistic.

Ironically, the only backup DE I know of who recently racked up 6+ sacks is.....Chris Clemons.