Updated Title: Will Portis Shine Again in a West Coast Offense?

[blufan67]

I believe the west coast blocking scheme (zone blocking) will benifit Portis' style of running. Atleast it did in Denver.

[bedlamVR]

As did playing against some of the suckiest defenses twice a year helped (oakland and KC, San Diego let Peterson run for nearly 300 yards last year)

[smoot27]

Originally Posted by bedlamVR

As did playing against some of the suckiest defenses twice a year helped (oakland and KC, San Diego let Peterson run for nearly 300 yards last year)

Yea but really now Peterson was getting shutdown the last 3 games. Peterson had a year were every one saying 1600 yards but....they said that with Gore,LJ,Stevenson, but all never happend.


I think Portis well run all over any team if hes healthy, but every time i saw him the OL was the problem at first.

[love them hogs]

I thought that I heard Zorn say the running scheme is going to be the same as it was last year.He is only changing the passing schemes.So if you expect Portis to come back to "form", it will come from his and the o-lines health and not a change in scheme.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by love them hogs

I thought that I heard Zorn say the running scheme is going to be the same as it was last year.He is only changing the passing schemes.So if you expect Portis to come back to "form", it will come from his and the o-lines health and not a change in scheme.

yeah i heard the same thing, alot of changes in the passing game but running stays the same . . . . but were they talking about the schemes or language/terms?

also alot of people seem to think that if we use broncos zone blocking scheme portis will get back to his bronco form but didnt we switch to zone blocking last year to create lanes for portis to pick and choose his holes and cuts when gibbs smashmouth was not working?

my guess, 1,300 rushing yards 10 tds = the usual solid contribution from mr. portis

go skins!

[Cowell]

Honestly, as much as I would love to see it, I don't think your going to ever see a Clinton Portis that was as good as he was on the Broncos. I'm telling you, if he had stayed on the Broncos he would be on track for a HOF career. As much as I love him, the Skins kind of ruined his career.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by Cowell

Honestly, as much as I would love to see it, I don't think your going to ever see a Clinton Portis that was as good as he was on the Broncos. I'm telling you, if he had stayed on the Broncos he would be on track for a HOF career. As much as I love him, the Skins kind of ruined his career.

The Skins have ruined his career how so? Explain that one.

In 2004 when we trade for CP he was a 1300+ yard back his first year. The following season he was a 1500+ yard back.

In 2006 he had the injury bug 500+ yard back in less than half the season and thats respectful with all the injuries he had starting in game one of pre-season.

Last season 1262 yard back, with 389 yards receiving, with a patched up O-line and a four year older player since leaving denver. IMO I believe CP is a much more complete back now than he ever was in denver, he does a lot more for the offense than just run the ball. How many other RB's in this league can bring to the table what a healthy CP does? Not any IMO.

That to me is insane to think the Skins have ruined his career with a team that is well known for pounding the rock (Especially under Coach Gibbs). I think he is right on track to have another huge season with the run and being even more involved with the catch.

[Daseal]

Skinsfan_nn -- you seem to equate running the ball with production. That isn't always the case. Portis had a much higher YPC in Denver than in DC. I also don't think he'll ever get back to his Denver form. Denver is the type of system that RBs thrive in.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Skinsfan_nn -- you seem to equate running the ball with production. That isn't always the case. Portis had a much higher YPC in Denver than in DC. I also don't think he'll ever get back to his Denver form. Denver is the type of system that RBs thrive in.

Why won't he thrive because the broncos run the WCO...? So do we now!

Well being he is a RB you should equate running the ball as production as that is his primary job function.

Why would that not be the case?

Furthermore, I'm looking at a bigger picture than just YPC as CP does alot more in the system we have been running the last 4 years. If you look at his overall production (not just YPC) the first two years here they where almost identical to his first two years in the league with Denver.

Of course there was a big drop off in 2006 due to injury. And he had a nice pickup in production last season coming off injuries from the year prior, even four years older than when we trade for him in 04.

Lets not forget what type of offense Denver runs.....the WCO. Which we will be running this season, CP is working harder than ever from what I have been seeing. I look for him to have a huge season with great overall production ( Could care less about his YPC ) but I look for CP to be back in 1500 yard form.

[Skinsfanmania]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Skinsfan_nn -- you seem to equate running the ball with production. That isn't always the case. Portis had a much higher YPC in Denver than in DC. I also don't think he'll ever get back to his Denver form. Denver is the type of system that RBs thrive in.

When Portis was playing in Denver anyone could run against the Raiders, Chiefs, and Chargers. This was not a particularly dominant defensive division and although it has gotten better since Portis has left, it is nowhere close to what the NFC East is defensivly.

You need to take into account the reason that Portis' YPC has dropped since coming to the Redskins because his competition is much, much better and he still is one of the top backs in the league. I don't think it is as much schematically as it is competition. Although I do feel he will have a more wide open offense and a better chance to succeed in the West Coast, but it's not going to be like playing in the AFCW.

[Cowell]

Originally Posted by Skinsfanmania

When Portis was playing in Denver anyone could run against the Raiders, Chiefs, and Chargers. This was not a particularly dominant defensive division and although it has gotten better since Portis has left, it is nowhere close to what the NFC East is defensivly.

You need to take into account the reason that Portis' YPC has dropped since coming to the Redskins because his competition is much, much better and he still is one of the top backs in the league. I don't think it is as much schematically as it is competition. Although I do feel he will have a more wide open offense and a better chance to succeed in the West Coast, but it's not going to be like playing in the AFCW.

I do agree that the AFCW did not have great defenses back when he was in Denver. I really don't care what division Denver is playing in, or how good the defenses that they play are. Running backs always thrive in Shanahan's system. Year in and year out. Hell, I could be a great back in Shanahan's system... that being said Portis is not going to return to Denver form. He will be better, but not Denver form.

[MTK]

One could easily argue that Portis has become a more complete back in Washington.

Still, I think he is better suited for a running game that plays to his strengths more. And that would be more zone blocking and less power plays.

[Daseal]

Heh -- your argument makes absolutely no sense. You're saying that his production in DC was the same as Denver in yards (TDs are down) but saying YPC doesn't matter. He's getting pummeled every game carrying the ball more.

Portis is the best blocking back in the NFL, he's a very good and well rounded back. I'm just trying to say that Denver seems to produce backs like crazy because of the Alex Gibbs blocking schemes (something I don't believe we're using seeing as we have a fairly large mauling type olinemen.

I think the WCO will help him and will be a far better fit than he was in Gibbs offense.

[VABCHSKINSFAN]

Originally Posted by smoot27

, he can probably become one of our best RB's ever or perhaps the best RB we ever had.

I think he is already the best RB we've ever had. Dosent he hold many of the Redskins rushing records?

[GMScud]

The way I feel about this dude's threads is the same way I feel about caps lock users and collar poppers.