Saints After Shockey?!

[GTripp0012]

He also led the league with 20 ints in the regular season, and had a mildly unimpressive 6.3 yards per attempt to go with a totally unimpressive 56.1% completion. Those numbers border on Grossman/Tavaris Jackson/Brodie Croyle levels.

I tend to think that there is something sustainable about his maturation in the playoffs, something real about it, but is it possible he was playing a little over his head throwing only one int in the playoffs, considering he threw about 1.25 per game in the regular season last year?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Miller101

It would be great if they let him go! At the very least it would be great if he holds out of training camp for a little bit and the Giants bench him for week 1! This guy is a real good tight end...........With him out of the game all you have to do is double up Plax, stack the box and see if Eli can beat you! We all know he can't!

Pats thought the same thing,how did that work out for them?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He also led the league with 20 ints in the regular season, and had a mildly unimpressive 6.3 yards per attempt to go with a totally unimpressive 56.1% completion. Those numbers border on Grossman/Tavaris Jackson/Brodie Croyle levels.

Yup............and that brings me back to Shockey how is a bad rout runner and is soley reponsible for Eli's Viking game.He drops a ball and then gets in Eli's face...he's a fool.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Miller101

It holds up very well. Eli got lucky! I mean, that dude catching the ball on his head! Come on, that was complete luck.

Oh, you mean the pass where the Pats had like three guys on Eli and some how he brook free and then rolled out and made that throw. OK it was all luck. Not luck. Eli has had his ups and downs and when he got to the playoffs showed he really could lead the Giants which he did. Now will he build on this or fall back to an average QB? Right now as SB Champs I cannot say he was just lucky with the playes he had to make. They did beat a team that had won 18 in a row and one that stomped us into the ground.

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Oh, you mean the pass where the Pats had like three guys on Eli and some how he brook free and then rolled out and made that throw. OK it was all luck. Not luck. Eli has had his ups and downs and when he got to the playoffs showed he really could lead the Giants which he did. Now will he build on this or fall back to an average QB? Right now as SB Champs I cannot say he was just lucky with the playes he had to make. They did beat a team that had won 18 in a row and one that stomped us into the ground.

Okay, OKay. He might be a little good, but without Shockey he really only has Plax to throw too. Thats it! It would really hurt Eli and the Giants if they let Shockey go. Anyone who says otherwise is just kidding themselves.

I can't wait to see how this plays out once training camp begins! :headbange

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Miller101

Okay, OKay. He might be a little good, but without Shockey he really only has Plax to throw too. Thats it! It would really hurt Eli and the Giants if they let Shockey go. Anyone who says otherwise is just kidding themselves.

I can't wait to see how this plays out once training camp begins! :headbange

Ahhhh no,Look I think I've been pretty realistic in my evaluations of Eli and the Giants but to answer you....the Bucs at their place,the Cowgirls at their place and Greenbay at 10 below and at their place! 11 games won away from home on the road 3 or 4 maybe luck 11 no.Toomer stepped up ,Steve Smith step up so did Tyree and Boss ,no Shockey in sight.If you beleive the Giants can't win without him I have a DVD from2/3/08 if you want to watch it?

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Ahhhh no,Look I think I've been pretty realistic in my evaluations of Eli and the Giants but to answer you....the Bucs at their place,the Cowgirls at their place and Greenbay at 10 below and at their place! 11 games won away from home on the road 3 or 4 maybe luck 11 no.Toomer stepped up ,Steve Smith step up so did Tyree and Boss ,no Shockey in sight.If you beleive the Giants can't win without him I have a DVD from2/3/08 if you want to watch it?

Who are Tyree and Boss? Anyway if you think your 50% passer is the next best thing with or without Shockey then you can go on and keep thinking that.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Miller101

Who are Tyree and Boss? Anyway if you think your 50% passer is the next best thing with or without Shockey then you can go on and keep thinking that.

Is that a serious question?! David Tyree is the guy who made the ridiculous catch in the Super Bowl with Rodney Harrison draped all over him and Kevin Boss is the backup to Shockey who came up pretty big in the playoffs and showed flashes all year. Are you kidding me? "Who are Tyree and Boss?" Do you watch anything other than Redskins football?

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Is that a serious question?! David Tyree is the guy who made the ridiculous catch in the Super Bowl with Rodney Harrison draped all over him and Kevin Boss is the backup to Shockey who came up pretty big in the playoffs and showed flashes all year. Are you kidding me? "Who are Tyree and Boss?" Do you watch anything other than Redskins football?

Tyree had one catch and thats it! Boss is no Shockey.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Miller101

Tyree had one catch and thats it! Boss is no Shockey.

I'm not disagreeing that Tyree isn't that good, he might not even make the team, I was just letting you know who he was. As for Boss, while he's no Shockey, he can block and he's relatively effective in the passing game. I'd take him over an overrated headache any day of the week. I can't stand anything about Jeremy Shockey, I do respect that he plays hard, but the guy's and asshole who's game still isn't where most people wanted to be when he was coming out of college. He basically peaked in his rookie year.

For me, Jeremy Shockey is way more trouble than he's worth. If he were somehow a positive influence on his team he'd be a great player, but he's not worth keeping because he can't keep his mouth shut.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Miller101

Tyree had one catch and thats it! Boss is no Shockey.

Just stop dude. Talking trash to the Super Bowl Champs is pretty pointless. At the end of the day they still have the rings so that's all that really matters.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Giantone

If you read what I said ,I said "Over All",the others are good at one thing or the other.Right now I too would take Cooley...Shockey is a head case.

Shockey = drama queen

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He also led the league with 20 ints in the regular season, and had a mildly unimpressive 6.3 yards per attempt to go with a totally unimpressive 56.1% completion. Those numbers border on Grossman/Tavaris Jackson/Brodie Croyle levels.

I tend to think that there is something sustainable about his maturation in the playoffs, something real about it, but is it possible he was playing a little over his head throwing only one int in the playoffs, considering he threw about 1.25 per game in the regular season last year?

Eli is probably never going to be a 65% passer. He's just too streaky of a QB. I think that's just who he is. But he played his best when it mattered most and he's a SB champion. You can win with Eli as your QB. So not much else anyone can say. He shut a lot of people up.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Ahhhh no,Look I think I've been pretty realistic in my evaluations of Eli and the Giants but to answer you....the Bucs at their place,the Cowgirls at their place and Greenbay at 10 below and at their place! 11 games won away from home on the road 3 or 4 maybe luck 11 no.Toomer stepped up ,Steve Smith step up so did Tyree and Boss ,no Shockey in sight.If you beleive the Giants can't win without him I have a DVD from2/3/08 if you want to watch it?

LOL! Good one.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Eli is probably never going to be a 65% passer. He's just too streaky of a QB. I think that's just who he is. But he played his best when it mattered most and he's a SB champion. You can win with Eli as your QB. So not much else anyone can say. He shut a lot of people up.

I always thought people were way too down on him, because he was a still-developing NFL passer, and now it's clear that people in general think too much of him.

I mean, I like the guy and all, and was happy for him that his team won a SB, and he played phenomenal in the playoffs and all, but you are right, he's still Eli Manning.

Eli isn't somehow a different player now that he has a super bowl victory. He's the same Eli Manning. Perhaps a bit closer to his prime now than he was a year ago, but I still feel like he's capable of holding the Giants back in the future.