Taxing the rich - what is the cutoff?

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I should run that lawyer salary by my lawyer friends around here in Philly. They start out at $60K. Must not be "major" firms.

Sortable Salary Comparisons

These numbers don't include bonuses, which run $15-60k (or higher) depending on hours billed.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

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These numbers don't include bonuses, which run $15-60k (or higher) depending on hours billed.

OK thanks for that info. I had no idea the average lawyer made so much money.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

OK thanks for that info. I had no idea the average lawyer made so much money.

The dilemma is that, in order to get those jobs, you have to either attend a top 10 school (which in most cases will set you back $140k+), or be at the top of your class in a top 50 school (which can still cost you $140k+).

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

The dilemma is that, in order to get those jobs, you have to either attend a top 10 school (which in most cases will set you back $140k+), or be at the top of your class in a top 50 school (which can still cost you $140k+).

OK yeah, now it's starting to make sense.

I found this source for attorney starting salaries in the US, it's definitely not in the 6 figures. I guess to land a job at a "major" firm you need, like you said, top credentials:

PayScale - Lawyer Starting Salaries, Average Salary for a Lawyer

And this chart here seems to indicate why you guys in the DC area would be used to very high lawyer salaries:

PayScale - Attorney / Lawyer Salary, Average Salaries by City

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

OK yeah, now it's starting to make sense.

I found this source for attorney starting salaries in the US, it's definitely not in the 6 figures. I guess to land a job at a "major" firm you need, like you said, top credentials:

PayScale - Lawyer Starting Salaries, Average Salary for a Lawyer

And this chart here seems to indicate why you guys in the DC area would be used to very high lawyer salaries:

PayScale - Attorney / Lawyer Salary, Average Salaries by City

No question. NYC and DC are the lawyer capitals of the country. NYC tends to set prices for the rest of the country, in terms of when salaries increase. Salaries have skyrocketed lately. 10 years ago, starting salary was around $85k in DC.

So, it's possible that my world-view is skewed when it comes to this. About half the people I know fall into the mid-30s, 2 kids, household income over $250k (lawyers, IT, investment banking) category. All of them can afford the increase, but only a few would I categorize as affluent, and none would I describe as "rich" or "wealthy".

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

OK thanks for that info. I had no idea the average lawyer made so much money.

The average lawyer does not make so much money. The notion that anyone can get a $160K job just by graduating law school is dead wrong, and it is the misconception which draws young 22 year olds into the profession. There are about 180 accredited law schools and the big firms tend to hire about 50% of their attorneys from the top 15 schools and the remainder from the top 40 or so. Rarely does a big firm hire a law student from a second tier law school, let alone a third tier law school.

Most 3rd, 2nd, and 1st tier law school grads become public defenders, prosecutors, government lawyers, public interest lawyers, or small firm lawyers. The average law school grad does not work for a 1,000+ attorney firm paying $160K to newly minted attorneys.

Moreover, many big firms pay a lot, but they expect their first years to pay them in blood and with their first born. There is a reason why roughly 50% of those highly paid lawyers leave their jobs within the first 3 years, notwithstanding the fact that they are faced with a mountain of debt.

EDIT - I just read your other post in which you basically said what I noted above.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Moreover, many big firms pay a lot, but they expect their first years to pay them in blood and with their first born. There is a reason why roughly 50% of those highly paid lawyers leave their jobs within the first 3 years, notwithstanding the fact that they are faced with a mountain of debt.

That's an excellent point that I failed to mention.

[saden1]

You mean to tell me lawyers aren't as rich and flamboyant as they are on tv?