Javon Walker found Unconcious, Robbed in streets of Las Vegas

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Jamaican'Skin

I think its a humanity issue. People become critics on certain issues once they aren't involved. So statements like, I don't feel sorry for him are used because they believe that athletes should use the example of one person in one incident to manipulate the way they run their lives.

Athletes are just like us, except they have a little bit more money. Don't hold them to a standard that you yourself don't uphold.

Example, how many car accidents have occurred on highways. Using y'alls logic, smart people shouldn't drive on highways, because people die there all the time.

Give the guy a break

Well...not saying I'm smart at all but I do try to avoid highways as much as possible only because of the number of vehicles on the highway. COMMON SENSE tells you that the more cars on the highway the better chance you have of getting into an accident.

Lets use your logic then. He should not have any problem walking into a biker bar and asking for a drink right? or walking into a gay bar and not getting hit on because it's not his fault for going into those places right or because he has a right as a citizen to go into those places.

Make no mistake...he was a victim. Some of us are saying that if he valued his money and his jewlery and his life he would not have:
1. been out all night. although it's his right to.
2. flashed his jewlery. Save it for a more upscale party.
3. SPRAYED PEOPLE WITH CHAMPAIGN. It kinda pisses people off.

Number three is what probably caused the beating. Yeah he was having fun with Mayweather but someone probably got sprayed that did not want to get sprayed and took it to another level.

You know it's funny. When your young you think you can defend yourself from anything until you find out you can't. As you get older and mature you realize that there is always someone out there that can take what you have at anytime. They can steal your car. steal your money. steal your identity. The only thing one can do is try to eliminate the "chances of opportunity". Oh, he's a victim but a victim of his own circumstance.

[GMScud]

I certainly don't think Javon deserved to be beaten and robbed. But he put himself in a situation that exponentially increases the chances for all kinds of trouble to occur. He's nearly 30 years old and has been in the NFL for years. If he has half a brain he knows damn well that NOTHING good comes from drinking in clubs till sunrise and flashing wads of cash and jewelry. Players get in trouble all the time due to events surrounding this kind of stuff. Hell he even witnessed a teammate's murder out in front of a club after a night of partying. His decision to expose himself in this way shows massively poor judgment in my opinion. I'm glad he wasn't permanently injured and will make a full recovery in time for training camp, but I don't really feel sorry for him.

[Jamaican'Skin]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Well...not saying I'm smart at all but I do try to avoid highways as much as possible only because of the number of vehicles on the highway. COMMON SENSE tells you that the more cars on the highway the better chance you have of getting into an accident.

Lets use your logic then. He should not have any problem walking into a biker bar and asking for a drink right? or walking into a gay bar and not getting hit on because it's not his fault for going into those places right or because he has a right as a citizen to go into those places.

Make no mistake...he was a victim. Some of us are saying that if he valued his money and his jewlery and his life he would not have:
1. been out all night. although it's his right to.
2. flashed his jewlery. Save it for a more upscale party.
3. SPRAYED PEOPLE WITH CHAMPAIGN. It kinda pisses people off.

Number three is what probably caused the beating. Yeah he was having fun with Mayweather but someone probably got sprayed that did not want to get sprayed and took it to another level.

You know it's funny. When your young you think you can defend yourself from anything until you find out you can't. As you get older and mature you realize that there is always someone out there that can take what you have at anytime. They can steal your car. steal your money. steal your identity. The only thing one can do is try to eliminate the "chances of opportunity". Oh, he's a victim but a victim of his own circumstance.

As you stated, he has a right to walk into any establishment he choses. He chose a bar. You have the right to go out and enjoy yourself without fearing harassment.

If we're going to condemn Walker for going out, wearing expensive jewelry that his earned money paid for, and buying thousands of dollars worth of champagne, that his earned money paid for, then where does it end? Darrent Williams wasn't draped in jewelry, but he was targeted, Sean Taylor was asleep in his house, but he was targeted, and Javon Walker was targeted as well. The point Im making is, its not a matter of where these athletes go versus where they don't go, they will be targets as long as they are earning millions and there are envious people out there that want a piece.

Javon Walker could've gone to that club in a tee and some jeans, once he was recognized, he became a target. Nothing he could do about it.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Jamaican'Skin

As you stated, he has a right to walk into any establishment he choses. He chose a bar. You have the right to go out and enjoy yourself without fearing harassment.

If we're going to condemn Walker for going out, wearing expensive jewelry that his earned money paid for, and buying thousands of dollars worth of champagne, that his earned money paid for, then where does it end? Darrent Williams wasn't draped in jewelry, but he was targeted, Sean Taylor was asleep in his house, but he was targeted, and Javon Walker was targeted as well. The point Im making is, its not a matter of where these athletes go versus where they don't go, they will be targets as long as they are earning millions and there are envious people out there that want a piece.

Javon Walker could've gone to that club in a tee and some jeans, once he was recognized, he became a target. Nothing he could do about it.

Exactly. Therefore, as targets, they need to take every step possible to minimize their chances of becoming victims of this kind of stuff. No one said he doesn't have a right to buy jewelry and champagne and party like a rock star in a club. But is it smart? Hell no. Like I said, this type of behavior draws unnecessary attention and drastically increases the chances of a bad incident.

[Jamaican'Skin]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Exactly. Therefore, as targets, they need to take every step possible to minimize their chances of becoming victims of this kind of stuff. No one said he doesn't have a right to buy jewelry and champagne and party like a rock star in a club. But is it smart? Hell no. Like I said, this type of behavior draws unnecessary attention and drastically increases the chances of a bad incident.

He draws attention to himself by being an athlete regardless of whether he has on a million dollars worth of jewelry or not.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Jamaican'Skin

He draws attention to himself by being an athlete regardless of whether he has on a million dollars worth of jewelry or not.

You're missing my point. Yes, his status and salary in itself draw attention. But don't you see that going out with a huge knot of cash, flashy jewelry and having a champagne-spraying contest in a club till 630AM draws totally unnecessary attention?? My point is this- knowing you're a star athlete in today's culture, you need to take every precaution to avoid standing out as a target. He's a fool for acting this way, even though he has every right to do so.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by GMScud

You're missing my point. Yes, his status and salary in itself draw attention. But don't you see that going out with a huge knot of cash, flashy jewelry and having a champagne-spraying contest in a club till 630AM draws totally unnecessary attention?? My point is this- knowing you're a star athlete in today's culture, you need to take every precaution to avoid standing out as a target. He's a fool for acting this way, even though he has every right to do so.

AND, I would like to add,
as you point out, he has every right to do so. This is America, and philosophically, we have the freedom to go anywhere, and do anything we want within the law.
In reality, it might cost you...................it cost him.
With the things that are going on with athletes today, common sense must enter into the picture, or it might cost you......it cost him.

[Jamaican'Skin]

Originally Posted by GMScud

You're missing my point. Yes, his status and salary in itself draw attention. But don't you see that going out with a huge knot of cash, flashy jewelry and having a champagne-spraying contest in a club till 630AM draws totally unnecessary attention?? My point is this- knowing you're a star athlete in today's culture, you need to take every precaution to avoid standing out as a target. He's a fool for acting this way, even though he has every right to do so.

I don't see how that adds attention to him. If I see a pro athlete in any setting, in todays society, I'm automatically assuming that he has money, whether I see a wad of hundred dollar bills or not. And I am not alone in my assuptions. He took a risk by leaving his hotel room that night. So whether or not he was flashing 3grand around or not, he was going to be a target.

I think the problem that I am having with most of your arguments is that you guys are blaming his behavior for the predicament he got into. I think it has more to do with his status.

Dave Chapelle did a skit a while back, after he signed the major contract with Comedy Central. The skit showed Dave in different situations such as a barber shop, and at a mechanic. Just as he got to each scene and was about to pay, the news came on speaking about the amount of money he signed on for, and the other characters in the sketch automatically drove up the price of each service ridiculously and threatened him to pay. It was a pretty funny skit, but the point is with media such as ESPN broadcasting how much these athletes make whether or not they walk around with money in their pockets or not, they are targets.

I completely agree that these athletes should take every precaution to ensure their own safety, but that can only go so far. If someone wants to set you up to take a percentage of the millions that you're making, they can find a way to do it. To me, saying that him spraying the crowd with Dom P or waving his money around played an integral role in him getting robbed and assaulted is an excuse. It had more to do with who he was than what he was doing

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Jamaican'Skin

I don't see how that adds attention to him. If I see a pro athlete in any setting, in todays society, I'm automatically assuming that he has money, whether I see a wad of hundred dollar bills or not. And I am not alone in my assuptions. He took a risk by leaving his hotel room that night. So whether or not he was flashing 3grand around or not, he was going to be a target.

I think the problem that I am having with most of your arguments is that you guys are blaming his behavior for the predicament he got into. I think it has more to do with his status.

Dave Chapelle did a skit a while back, after he signed the major contract with Comedy Central. The skit showed Dave in different situations such as a barber shop, and at a mechanic. Just as he got to each scene and was about to pay, the news came on speaking about the amount of money he signed on for, and the other characters in the sketch automatically drove up the price of each service ridiculously and threatened him to pay. It was a pretty funny skit, but the point is with media such as ESPN broadcasting how much these athletes make whether or not they walk around with money in their pockets or not, they are targets.

I completely agree that these athletes should take every precaution to ensure their own safety, but that can only go so far. If someone wants to set you up to take a percentage of the millions that you're making, they can find a way to do it. To me, saying that him spraying the crowd with Dom P or waving his money around played an integral role in him getting robbed and assaulted is an excuse. It had more to do with who he was than what he was doing

I agree with most of what you're saying. But come on. What draws more attention to your status/salary- walking incognito into a club with, as you said, a tee shirt and jeans, having a few drinks and leaving, OR flashing your money, your jewelry, and making huge scene by spraying everyone with expensive alcohol? To me it's a total no brainer. I'm not saying he wouldn't be a target without doing all that, but he's obviously drawing a massive amount of attention to said status/money by acting that way. It's a fact. He put himself at a much greater risk with his actions. It's pretty difficult to argue that. Don't you think there were plenty of people in that club who didn't recognize him until he started spraying the crowd??

You said it was his status, not his behavior. Well, my argument is his behavior drew totally unnecessary extra attention to his status. Pretty hard to disagree with that.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Jamaican'Skin

He draws attention to himself by being an athlete regardless of whether he has on a million dollars worth of jewelry or not.

Thank You. You said it right there. I doubt people were lining up to beat him down just because he was a Pro Football player. I doubt someone said "Hey, look who it is.....lets kick his ass." Unless they lost a lot of money on a game because it is Vegas right.

I think we can all agree he has a right to go out and do the things he did. Except for the spraying part. That could be construed as acting disorderly which is a finable offense. Other then that he was fine. However, what some of us are trying to say is it was not good judgement carrying a load of money and the expensive jewelry. If there are creatons in society (which I believe we all know there is) then you take steps to protect yourself and your property.

How many of you have kids that leave expensive personal items ie: cell phones, I-Pods, and PSP's in there book bag outside of their locker during gym class and refuse to use the locker because it takes time to open only to have the item stolen? I can't expect to put a $100 dollar bill at the end of my driveway (even though I have a right to) and not have it stolen.

He's making millions. You mean to tell me he can't use a credit card. cut down on his chances of someone seeing the cash and wanting to jump him.

People take chances all the time. Sky divers take chances the parachute will not open. but by packing the chute themselves they are taking steps to ensure it's packed right and should open. In some states you have a right to not wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle but the chances are greater that if you get into a accident you will have a head injury.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Well...not saying I'm smart at all but I do try to avoid highways as much as possible only because of the number of vehicles on the highway. COMMON SENSE tells you that the more cars on the highway the better chance you have of getting into an accident.

Lets use your logic then. He should not have any problem walking into a biker bar and asking for a drink right? or walking into a gay bar and not getting hit on because it's not his fault for going into those places right or because he has a right as a citizen to go into those places.

Make no mistake...he was a victim. Some of us are saying that if he valued his money and his jewlery and his life he would not have:
1. been out all night. although it's his right to.
2. flashed his jewlery. Save it for a more upscale party.
3. SPRAYED PEOPLE WITH CHAMPAIGN. It kinda pisses people off.

Number three is what probably caused the beating. Yeah he was having fun with Mayweather but someone probably got sprayed that did not want to get sprayed and took it to another level.

You know it's funny. When your young you think you can defend yourself from anything until you find out you can't. As you get older and mature you realize that there is always someone out there that can take what you have at anytime. They can steal your car. steal your money. steal your identity. The only thing one can do is try to eliminate the "chances of opportunity". Oh, he's a victim but a victim of his own circumstance.

LOL, highway driving is BY FAR safer than driving on surface streets. Highway Driving Safety (Cars: Road Rules)

So much for trusting your common sense.

[SBXVII]

[quote=djnemo65;453594]LOL, highway driving is BY FAR safer than driving on surface streets. Highway Driving Safety (Cars: Road Rules)

So much for trusting your common sense.[/quote

Ok, most accidents occur within 5 miles of your residence also. So...common sense would tell you that if you make it past the 5mile mark your almost home free.....except for those living within 5 miles of where your driving. lol. I know it made no sense. lol.

I'm sure those statistics are correct only because no one lives right on the highway ie I95 as opposed to say RT1 or Rt66. What I was getting at was I avoid the highways on say days that traffic is high. A simple look at the high way prior to getting on lets you know maybe it's not a good idea to chance fate and be among the mass. If its not that busy then take the highway. All I'm saying is use common sense.

I also am saying it was his actions that brought the attention. If I were at the club I doubt I would have noticed who he was unless someone pointed him out and even then I am considerate enough not to bother people who are trying to have a nice night out. But...if I had champaign sprayed on me and I had gotten wet I think I would have been upset. I would not have beat him up though. but it certainly would have brought the attention he was seeking.