Ted Nugent on Gun Control

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So what you really think they are tapping line of the everyday Joe blow and listening in on his conversation?

Of course not. I don't know who they wiretapped or what formula they relied upon in determining who should be subject to a wiretap and, except for a few select individuals, neither does anyone else.

I just think it is interesting that so many people trust the government to do the right thing without any oversight when it comes to certain issues AND zealously guard their right to bear arms in the event this government gets to the point where it needs to be overthrown. How can people say with a straight face that they don't care about or want to know about a major spying program that may infringe on our constitutional rights and then say they need guns because they don't fully trust our government?

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Of course not. I don't know who they wiretapped or what formula they relied upon in determining who should be subject to a wiretap and, except for a few select individuals, neither does anyone else.

I just think it is interesting that so many people trust the government to do the right thing without any oversight when it comes to certain issues AND zealously guard their right to bear arms in the event this government gets to the point where it needs to be overthrown. How can people say with a straight face that they don't care about or want to know about a major spying program that may infringe on our constitutional rights and then say they need guns because they don't fully trust our government?

Well, the most glaring difference is the intangibility of the wiretapping vs the tangibility of having to physically give up guns. If the government said, "ok, you can no longer have any phone conversations regarding such-and-such", it would make the comparisons much more precise and clear. Then you would have people up in arms (literally? ). But, until then, people go along with it because they do not feel something is being taken from them. IMO, until something like that occurs, the only ones that will be upset about it are the ones that are already upset about it, right or wrong.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Of course not. I don't know who they wiretapped or what formula they relied upon in determining who should be subject to a wiretap and, except for a few select individuals, neither does anyone else.

I just think it is interesting that so many people trust the government to do the right thing without any oversight when it comes to certain issues AND zealously guard their right to bear arms in the event this government gets to the point where it needs to be overthrown. How can people say with a straight face that they don't care about or want to know about a major spying program that may infringe on our constitutional rights and then say they need guns because they don't fully trust our government?

I don't recall very many people saying they want the right to defend themself against the goverment they want the right to defend themself in general. There are also things that we do not need to know because it renders the program useless. What should have happened with the wiretapping issue is that the president and congress should have worked this out behind closed doors. Now that it is all over the pappers I'm sure terrorist have taken steps to make it harder to trace their phone ussage. I believe it was the New York Times which broke the story and when they got word that the president was going to stop them from printing the story they put it on their website before the goverment could stop them. That speaks will well of how this papper views the safty of this country. It was more important for them to get at Bush then to hear why they did not want the story to run or how it could jeperdize our safty. The same thing happend to the president when they had survalance on Bin Ladens phone someone leaked the info then the press ran the story. I don't support everything Bush has done but fighting terrorist he has done a great job. Its the left and the media that has hamppered these efforts every chance they have had only for political gains. By the way they passed a law in 2007 giving the Pesident the right to Tapp phones of susspected terrorist and was backed by a bunch of dems.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I don't recall very many people saying they want the right to defend themself against the goverment they want the right to defend themself in general.

I've seen several posts in this thread which talk about the need to protect ourselves from government tyranny.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I've seen several posts in this thread which talk about the need to protect ourselves from government tyranny.

I'm not going to re-read the post but the majority are for having the right to defend themself in general.