Ted Nugent on Gun Control

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

LOL where does this ridiculous fear of the government come from anyway? That's a pretty stupid reason to support the need for guns IMO.

Let's say hell freezes over and the gov't decides to take over... whatever the hell that means, what are you and your shotgun going to do anyway?

I just don't see that agrument being made in this conversation but some people do believe that notion. I just feel we have a right to own a gun. I myself do not own a gun but if I need one for some reason I want to be able to buy one. I don't have any problem with having manditory training, back ground checks etc... but just let me have the right to protect my family.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I just don't see that agrument being made in this conversation but some people do believe that notion. I just feel we have a right to own a gun. I myself do not own a gun but if I need one for some reason I want to be able to buy one. I don't have any problem with having manditory training, back ground checks etc... but just let me have the right to protect my family.

I'm not picking on jsarno but he just said:

One of those protesters stuck out in my mind with his sign that read "I LOVE my country, but I fear my government".

If that is not evidence that we need to keep guns, then what is?

I've seen other similar opinions I just don't feel like digging through this thread right now.

I'm not trying to be a jerk I'm just curious what people are afraid of exactly regarding the gov't, and what is a gun going to do to protect yourself if the gov't was "out to get you".

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not picking on jsarno but he just said:



I've seen other similar opinions I just don't feel like digging through this thread right now.

I'm not trying to be a jerk I'm just curious what people are afraid of exactly regarding the gov't, and what is a gun going to do to protect yourself if the gov't was "out to get you".

Just for the record, my comment about "If that is not evidence that we need to keep guns, then what is?" was about the ENTIRE post, not the guy holding the sign.
I'm not thinking the government is "out to get me", but I think the government can and does make decisions with short sighted thoughts. If people scream loudly enough, they are usually heard, but the government should be quick to look into things more thoroughly, such as how other countries have faired getting rid of their firearms, or even how certain laws being passed have affected the publics reactions. Decisions are too often made becuase of political stature, or give and take, not because the subject was debated with an open mind. Most of this problem is our governmental system, but the point still remains.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Just for the record, my comment about "If that is not evidence that we need to keep guns, then what is?" was about the ENTIRE post, not the guy holding the sign.
I'm not thinking the government is "out to get me", but I think the government can and does make decisions with short sighted thoughts. If people scream loudly enough, they are usually heard, but the government should be quick to look into things more thoroughly, such as how other countries have faired getting rid of their firearms, or even how certain laws being passed have affected the publics reactions. Decisions are too often made becuase of political stature, or give and take, not because the subject was debated with an open mind. Most of this problem is our governmental system, but the point still remains.

The way you worded it you seemed to be commenting on the sign and what it said as a reason to keep guns... but either way I still don't understand how that's a logical take on the topic.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The way you worded it you seemed to be commenting on the sign and what it said as a reason to keep guns... but either way I still don't understand how that's a logical take on the topic.

I am assuming you are still talking about my comment on the sign, so to clarify my point, the government thought they were doing everyone right by implimenting these laws, but it totally backfired on them which made the UK citizens wary of the decision makers in the country. If you watched the whole video you would have seen the man that is in jail for life because he protected himself from intruders for the 3rd time that year. So it's not like the government helped out here. If you think that protest was bad in England, try that here and see what happens. You try getting broken into 3 times, and when you finally put a stop to it, and when the dust settles, the government is pointing at you as the person that was wrong and see where you sit on the subject. (not you personally matty, just you in general) I totally understand why they are upset at the government. They made a mistake and now they need to correct it.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not picking on jsarno but he just said:



I've seen other similar opinions I just don't feel like digging through this thread right now.

I'm not trying to be a jerk I'm just curious what people are afraid of exactly regarding the gov't, and what is a gun going to do to protect yourself if the gov't was "out to get you".

A gun can be used to fight back if the government becomes oppressive. This isn't happening now, but you never know what could happen sometime in the future. Thats the reason why this was put in the Bill of Rights.

How do you think Hitler rounded up all of the jews? He confiscated all of their guns so they couldn't fight back.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I just don't see that agrument being made in this conversation but some people do believe that notion. I just feel we have a right to own a gun. I myself do not own a gun but if I need one for some reason I want to be able to buy one. I don't have any problem with having manditory training, back ground checks etc... but just let me have the right to protect my family.

That's a reasonable position. I just have serious issues with the notion that the government shouldn't be allowed to conduct background checks, must legalize fully automatic rifles, etc.

Also, there was another gun control thread in which people made impassioned posts about the possible need to rebel against the government. I was waiting for posts about how the U.N. is planning to invade our country and make us all speak Mandarin Chineses.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

That's a reasonable position. I just have serious issues with the notion that the government shouldn't be allowed to conduct background checks, must legalize fully automatic rifles, etc.

For the record, I am all for background checks, and a waiting period for any gun, rifle or not. I am against taking guns out of the hands of the innocent, and if you truly are innocent, then a background check won't hurt you.