Kudos to Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Are u nuts? They almost gave up 2 first round draft picks for a 30 year old crybaby wr who wants a new contract. The only thing that saved them from their own stupidity was Mike Brown, who is even dumber ( than Vinny and Dan) when it comes to football IQ.

On top of that they get rid of Greg Williams who we all know was the best man for the job. Who cares if you're not butt buddies? This isn't the business of being raquetball butt buddies. Snyder will never ever understand this. He wants someone to coach his team that he can be friends with.

Then....right when JC was about to master Al's offense you fire Saunders for a guy who has never called plays or ran an NFL offense. That guy runs a version of the west coast offesne so JC has to learn yet ANOTHER offense.

One top of all that Vinny has a VERY questionable draft by taking a lazy ass TE when we already have a pro bowl TE. Then you take Reinhart who played against scrubs and wasn't projected to go until the later rounds.

Sorry but I'm not giving any kudos to these two.

We have a winner here.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Giantone

We have a winner here.

I'm still shaking my head over the trade offer for Chad Johnson. Mike Brown is really stupid for not taking that deal.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Are u nuts? They almost gave up 2 first round draft picks for a 30 year old crybaby wr who wants a new contract. The only thing that saved them from their own stupidity was Mike Brown, who is even dumber ( than Vinny and Dan) when it comes to football IQ.

On top of that they get rid of Greg Williams who we all know was the best man for the job. Who cares if you're not butt buddies? This isn't the business of being raquetball butt buddies. Snyder will never ever understand this. He wants someone to coach his team that he can be friends with.

Then....right when JC was about to master Al's offense you fire Saunders for a guy who has never called plays or ran an NFL offense. That guy runs a version of the west coast offesne so JC has to learn yet ANOTHER offense.

One top of all that Vinny has a VERY questionable draft by taking a lazy ass TE when we already have a pro bowl TE. Then you take Reinhart who played against scrubs and wasn't projected to go until the later rounds.

Sorry but I'm not giving any kudos to these two.

"Almost" only counts in horseshoes, handgrenades, and Mike Alstott "touchdowns"

I don't know how "we all know" he was the best man for the job. That seems a bit hard to just know.

Campbell was just starting to learn Saunders' offense, that's not the same as "mastering" it. And if he in fact was close to "mastering" it then the WCO should take him less than half the time.

Sure, some may say the draft was questionable. But it seemed like you were pretty ok with Davis, and the small school pick in Rhinehart based on these

http://www.thewarpath.net/445135-post106.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/445127-post103.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/445113-post97.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/445111-post96.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/444893-post43.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/445271-post135.html

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

"Almost" only counts in horseshoes, handgrenades, and Mike Alstott "touchdowns"

I don't know how "we all know" he was the best man for the job. That seems a bit hard to just know.

Campbell was just starting to learn Saunders' offense, that's not the same as "mastering" it. And if he in fact was close to "mastering" it then the WCO should take him less than half the time.

Sure, some may say the draft was questionable. But it seemed like you were pretty ok with Davis, and the small school pick in Rhinehart based on these

http://www.thewarpath.net/445135-post106.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/445127-post103.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/445113-post97.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/445111-post96.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/444893-post43.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/445271-post135.html

damn those infernal mods and their ability to use the search!

outlaw the search, and free our thoughts from the chains of continuity!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

"Almost" only counts in horseshoes, handgrenades, and Mike Alstott "touchdowns"

I don't know how "we all know" he was the best man for the job. That seems a bit hard to just know.

Campbell was just starting to learn Saunders' offense, that's not the same as "mastering" it. And if he in fact was close to "mastering" it then the WCO should take him less than half the time.

Sure, some may say the draft was questionable. But it seemed like you were pretty ok with Davis, and the small school pick in Rhinehart based on these

http://www.thewarpath.net/445135-post106.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/445127-post103.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/445113-post97.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/445111-post96.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/444893-post43.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/445271-post135.html

The thread is are we giving them kudos. I'm fine with the picks. Always have been. But I'm not ready to call these two Bill Pollian. To me, it's seems like a high risk, high reward draft.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

"Almost" only counts in horseshoes, handgrenades, and Mike Alstott "touchdowns"

I don't know how "we all know" he was the best man for the job. That seems a bit hard to just know.

Campbell was just starting to learn Saunders' offense, that's not the same as "mastering" it. And if he in fact was close to "mastering" it then the WCO should take him less than half the time.

Sure, some may say the draft was questionable. But it seemed like you were pretty ok with Davis, and the small school pick in Rhinehart based on these

http://www.thewarpath.net/445135-post106.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/445127-post103.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/445113-post97.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/445111-post96.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/444893-post43.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/445271-post135.html

and if you read my post i'm not questioning anyone from small schools. i'm questioning why he was taken in the 3rd round when everyone else had him going in the 5th or 6th.

[djnemo65]

I love how everyone complains when the team restructures the roster then complains when they don't, complains when they chase names then complains when they draft players from smaller schools whose competition in college wasn't tough enough, complains when they don't prepare for injuries with adequate depth then complains when they draft players at positions in which there is already an established starter.

We don't know how the season will turn out but the fact that they kept an entire playoff roster intact, while upgrading the talent level at several offensive positions through the draft, is unequivocally a good thing, and I think that is all SC was trying to say.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Folks:

The Skins' FO supposedly chased CJ to the point where they supposedly offered a really big price for him.

That's conjecture. Here's a fact:


That deal never happened. I would not have been happy with a deal of the kind that was widely reported but I don't have to get my knickers in a knot over it because - - It ... never ... happened.


By the way, the Skins' FO may also have considered moving training camp this year to the Xygork Nebula. That would have been a bad idea. But they didn't to that either...

Will the off-season restraint shown by Danny Boy and Vinnie Boombatz assure the Skins of a Super Bowl slot? Of course not.

But I like the idea that there are so many players showing up at the beginning of training camp who have shown that they can actually perform on the field at the level of an NFL playoff team.

If you want to look at this from a negative perspective, the new coaching staff can obviously f*ck this up with incompetence or irrationality. The Redskins COULD be 6-10 this year; and if they are, you can point the finger at the guys on the sideline and in the coaches' booth - - because the players have shown they can perform at a higher level that that.

The Skins can also go 4-12 this year if the football gods decide to heap injuries on the team and make the ball bounce away from the Skins all season long.

But as the team goes into training camp with everyone as healthy and fit as one can expect them to be at this point in the calendar, the Skins' FO has done well by the players on the team. They have a legitmate shot at the playoffs and a legitimate shot at playing in the NFC title game. This isn't "fanboy talk"; the Skins can make this happen with a relatively injury-free season and some breaks along the way. I do NOT think the Skins are the best team in the NFC, but they are one of the teams "in the mix" to make it deep into the playoffs where anything can happen.

Are the Skins my pick for the NFC rep to the Super Bowl as of July 2008? No, they are not. But they are closer to being in the Super Bowl than they are to having a pick in the top five of the draft in 2009...

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Folks:

The Skins' FO supposedly chased CJ to the point where they supposedly offered a really big price for him.

That's conjecture. Here's a fact:


That deal never happened. I would not have been happy with a deal of the kind that was widely reported but I don't have to get my knickers in a knot over it because - - It ... never ... happened.


By the way, the Skins' FO may also have considered moving training camp this year to the Xygork Nebula. That would have been a bad idea. But they didn't to that either...

Will the off-season restraint shown by Danny Boy and Vinnie Boombatz assure the Skins of a Super Bowl slot? Of course not.

But I like the idea that there are so many players showing up at the beginning of training camp who have shown that they can actually perform on the field at the level of an NFL playoff team.

If you want to look at this from a negative perspective, the new coaching staff can obviously f*ck this up with incompetence or irrationality. The Redskins COULD be 6-10 this year; and if they are, you can point the finger at the guys on the sideline and in the coaches' booth - - because the players have shown they can perform at a higher level that that.

The Skins can also go 4-12 this year if the football gods decide to heap injuries on the team and make the ball bounce away from the Skins all season long.

But as the team goes into training camp with everyone as healthy and fit as one can expect them to be at this point in the calendar, the Skins' FO has done well by the players on the team. They have a legitmate shot at the playoffs and a legitimate shot at playing in the NFC title game. This isn't "fanboy talk"; the Skins can make this happen with a relatively injury-free season and some breaks along the way. I do NOT think the Skins are the best team in the NFC, but they are one of the teams "in the mix" to make it deep into the playoffs where anything can happen.

Are the Skins my pick for the NFC rep to the Super Bowl as of July 2008? No, they are not. But they are closer to being in the Super Bowl than they are to having a pick in the top five of the draft in 2009...

Good thread, good posts. Nice to see you coming around, you may have to change your screen-name

May I inerest you in a cool, refreshing beverage....possibly the K.A.? LOL

[djnemo65]

I disagree with the notion that WR's are generally unable to impact their respective teams their first year. The issue with WR's is that their bust factor is high. Many highly drafted WR's don't contribute their first year, or second, or third. They lack the intelligence to grasp the precision required for the NFL and/or the maturity to devote themselves to their craft as professionals. Indeed, the nature of the position tends to attract the most immature athletes on a team.

However, recent history shows several players who have been able to make important contributions to their teams during their first season; Dwayne Bowe, Steve Smith, Santonio Holmes, Reggie Brown, Greg Jennings, Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Lee Evans, Michael Clayon, Andre Johnson, Donte Stallworth, Jabar Gaffney, Antonio Bryant, Anquan Boldin, and Deion Branch are a few. For every Braylond Edwards or Javon Walker, who took a few years to mature, there seems to be two Troy Williamson's or Mike Williams', players who never adapted to the NFL. My point being that the issue with WR's is not the learning curve.

Thus, while expecting our rookies to notch 80 catches, 10 TD's and make the Probowl is probably not realistic, it is not out of the question for them to help out with 40-50 catches and a few scores. Don't forget, as SC pointed out, the guy these rookies are replacing never caught a TD in two years, so I am not willing to accept that they won't help us immediately.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

I disagree with the notion that WR's are generally unable to impact their respective teams their first year. The issue with WR's is that their bust factor is high. Many highly drafted WR's don't contribute their first year, or second, or third. They lack the intelligence to grasp the precision required for the NFL and/or the maturity to devote themselves to their craft as professionals. Indeed, the nature of the position tends to attract the most immature athletes on a team.

However, recent history shows several players who have been able to make important contributions to their teams during their first season; Dwayne Bowe, Steve Smith, Santonio Holmes, Reggie Brown, Greg Jennings, Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Lee Evans, Michael Clayon, Andre Johnson, Donte Stallworth, Jabar Gaffney, Antonio Bryant, Anquan Boldin, and Deion Branch are a few. For every Braylond Edwards or Javon Walker, who took a few years to mature, there seems to be two Troy Williamson's or Mike Williams', players who never adapted to the NFL. My point being that the issue with WR's is not the learning curve.

Thus, while expecting our rookies to notch 80 catches, 10 TD's and make the Probowl is probably not realistic, it is not out of the question for them to help out with 40-50 catches and a few scores. Don't forget, as SC pointed out, the guy these rookies are replacing never caught a TD in two years, so I am not willing to accept that they won't help us immediately.

Great point.. Also, let's not act like we are counting on Thomas and Kelly to become the #1 threat at WR.. We have 2 solid options already in Cooley and Moss and an ok one in Randle-El.. They are going to be counted on to be situationally effective. Kelly will probably see a lot of time in the red zone, but maybe not before that. Thomas may be a "starter" by virtue of being in on 3 WR sets, but he'll likely be no better than the 3rd or 4th read on most plays. That's much different from most highly drafted WR who are expected to make a Randy Moss like impact from day one.

[MTK]

You know it's been an uneventful offseason for the Redskins when all people have to complain about is a move that wasn't even made.

[DiehardSkin88]

Originally Posted by redsk1

I would put GW's bunch in the overachieving category in his years here. Look at our line, although some solid veterans, we plugged people in and they got the job done. The one year that our D didn't play as well, i heard an NFL scout on the radio say that our group has never been that talented and it just caught up to us...we'd maxed out our mediocre talent. The next year we were back in the top 10. I think alot of people undervalue what GW did here. Don't get me wrong i'm hoping for a great D this year, but I'm a little concerned. Blache doesn't have top 10 D's in his coaching past. His defenses have been middle of the pack.

I thought that when Blache was DC for the bears i think it was 2000 or 2001 his defense was in the top 3 of the league and his scoring defense and defensive touchdowns were at the top, along with turnovers. Am i wrong?

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by DiehardSkin88

I thought that when Blache was DC for the bears i think it was 2000 or 2001 his defense was in the top 3 of the league and his scoring defense and defensive touchdowns were at the top, along with turnovers. Am i wrong?

I'm really not trying to downgrade the credentials of Blache as much as trying to make a point about GW.

Did a little more research:

1999 29th ranked D
2000 16th
2001 15th
2002 25th

[sportscurmudgeon]

Slingin Sammy 33:

I'll pass on the Kool Aid if you don't mind.

When this off-season began with Gibbs' resignation and the FO went through a Keystone Kops routine to find a new head coach, I really didn't think things would look this good in July. I thought that Danny Boy and Vinnie Boombatz would find a way to sh*t the bed.

But they didn't!! They kept a playoff level team - not a Super Bowl level team but a playoff level team - together; and they added solid prospects that could shore up some of the weaknesses in this playoff level team. Had you asked me in January to make a prediction of the "State of the Skins" on July 4th, my predictions would have been far more negative than what we see in front of us now.

So, I offer congratuations. If people want to think that I'm only offering congratuations because the FO didn't sh*t the bed, you are free to think that. I think this has been the best off-season performance by the Redskins since Daniel Snyder bought the team.