Kudos to Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato

[djnemo65]

Where did this idea come from that a playoff team getting a new coach starts over from square one?! Last year two coaches inherited playoff teams: Wade Phillips and Norv Turner. Phillips significantly improved the regular season performance of the team while equaling his predecessor's playoff record, while Turner, after a rocky transition, took this group of Chargers players to their first two playoff victories and a narrow one score championship game loss to the undefeated Patriots. Additionally, Mike Tomlin took over a playoff caliber roster and brought home a division championship.

So I don't agree that a new coach inheriting a completely intact playoff roster necessarily equals a regression. In fact, recent history suggests the contrary.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Where did this idea come from that a playoff team getting a new coach starts over from square one?! Last year two coaches inherited playoff teams: Wade Phillips and Norv Turner. Phillips significantly improved the regular season performance of the team while equaling his predecessor's playoff record, while Turner, after a rocky transition, took this group of Chargers players to their first two playoff victories and a narrow one score championship game loss to the undefeated Patriots. Additionally, Mike Tomlin took over a playoff caliber roster and brought home a division championship.

So I don't agree that a new coach inheriting a completely intact playoff roster necessarily equals a regression. In fact, recent history suggests the contrary.

I think the issue with Zorn is his experience level, the three coaches you mentioned had been coordinators before and Turner and Phillips had been head coaches at multiple stops. I don't mean to be pessimistic, but rather realistic. We all saw what happened when Saunders first installed his offense, there are going to be hiccups.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

I think the issue with Zorn is his experience level, the three coaches you mentioned had been coordinators before and Turner and Phillips had been head coaches at multiple stops. I don't mean to be pessimistic, but rather realistic. We all saw what happened when Saunders first installed his offense, there are going to be hiccups.

Tomlin was a coordinator for exactly one year. I would say that, if its true that the Skins hired someone whose lack of experience precludes him from immediate success, then Vinny and Dan don't deserve any kudos at all. I for one am willing to give both them and Zorn the benefit of the doubt, and everything I have heard from training camp suggests that Zorn has hit the ground running.

By your reasoning we would be much better off with Fassel now, who achieved more with the Giants than either Phillips or Turner ever did with their former teams. Personally, while "hiccups" are perhaps inevitable, I don't lament us passing on Fassel for Zorn. I also think that, had we gone with Fassel, the exact same people would be complaining now.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Tomlin was a coordinator for exactly one year. I would say that, if its true that the Skins hired someone whose lack of experience precludes him from immediate success, then Vinny and Dan don't deserve any kudos at all. I for one am willing to give both them and Zorn the benefit of the doubt, and everything I have heard from training camp suggests that Zorn has hit the ground running.

By your reasoning we would be much better off with Fassel now, who achieved more with the Giants than either Phillips or Turner ever did with their former teams. Personally, while "hiccups" are perhaps inevitable, I don't lament us passing on Fassel for Zorn. I also think that, had we gone with Fassel, the exact same people would be complaining now.

I would be happy to debate Zorn-Tomlinson-Phillips and the whole Fassel fiasco, but this thread is about kudos to Vinny and Danny, which I think is a little premature. The results of this draft won't be known for a couple of years, but we already know that we didn't address the defensive or offensive lines, which are both old.

Judging the offseason as a whole, including the coaching search, its seems that this thread is much ado about nothing. We were finally quiet in free agency, but we did nothing to address the holes on our offensive and defensive lines. Our coaching search took a month, we hired an offensive coordinator (who I thought would be an excellent QB coach for Campbell) before a head coach and then turned around and acted like we had our guy the whole time. I want to see the Skins win, we'll see if that happens this year or not but I'm not ready to go sucking on everybody's popsicles just because Dan didn't write any checks for one summer.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

I would be happy to debate Zorn-Tomlinson-Phillips and the whole Fassel fiasco, but this thread is about kudos to Vinny and Danny, which I think is a little premature. The results of this draft won't be known for a couple of years, but we already know that we didn't address the defensive or offensive lines, which are both old.

Judging the offseason as a whole, including the coaching search, its seems that this thread is much ado about nothing. We were finally quiet in free agency, but we did nothing to address the holes on our offensive and defensive lines. Our coaching search took a month, we hired an offensive coordinator (who I thought would be an excellent QB coach for Campbell) before a head coach and then turned around and acted like we had our guy the whole time. I want to see the Skins win, we'll see if that happens this year or not but I'm not ready to go sucking on everybody's popsicles just because Dan didn't write any checks for one summer.

What holes exist on the OL that needed filling? We drafted a backup C/G in Rienhart and have Heyer & Wade to backup at tackle. Hopefully we don't need them as much as they played last year, but if so it wasn't a disaster.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

What holes exist on the OL that needed filling? We drafted a backup C/G in Rienhart and have Heyer & Wade to backup at tackle. Hopefully we don't need them as much as they played last year, but if so it wasn't a disaster.

And Erasmus James could prove to be a steal as well. I think it's odd to say that to give kudos is premature, and then say we already know they didn't address the line without even seeing the players step on the field.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

And Erasmus James could prove to be a steal as well. I think it's odd to say that to give kudos is premature, and then say we already know they didn't address the line without even seeing the players step on the field.

I'm not going to tell you again to stop using logic and common sense on a message board. You know better.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

And Erasmus James could prove to be a steal as well. I think it's odd to say that to give kudos is premature, and then say we already know they didn't address the line without even seeing the players step on the field.

I think you just proved my point about kudos SS. The Vikings had WAIVED James, meaning he was going to be free to sign with any team but we had to have him so we ended up trading for him. So instead of signing him AFTER he cleared waivers we trade a 7th round pick for him and hope he turns out? I think we agree that we need an upgrade at DE over Daniels, I just don't think that EJ is going to be that. Danny & Vinny getting kudos for this offseason really shows me how awful their past offseasons have been. DE has been a problem since Charles Mann retired, but we haven't drafted a DE before the 6th round since 1997? I'm not withholding kudos, I'm about to start booing!

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

What holes exist on the OL that needed filling? We drafted a backup C/G in Rienhart and have Heyer & Wade to backup at tackle. Hopefully we don't need them as much as they played last year, but if so it wasn't a disaster.

OK, maybe saying "holes" on the o-line is a bit strong, although there's a reason Pete Kendall didn't get a long term deal from the Jets and I'm guessing it rhymes with Darthritis Peas.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

OK, maybe saying "holes" on the o-line is a bit strong, although there's a reason Pete Kendall didn't get a long term deal from the Jets and I'm guessing it rhymes with Darthritis Peas.

SO drafting his eventual (either this year or next) replacement wasn't addressing that need?

** Sorry, posted this before reading your response just above.. Was arguing with the GF until 3am so I'm still a bit feisty! **