What's our greatest need now?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

Sorry for wanting us to address our d-line, somehow I got the crazy notion that a starting defensive end should get more than two sacks on the season. Based on that obviously flawed logic, I thought it would make sense to draft a replacement for the power lifter as opposed to someone who may catch 25 passes this year.

The combine is an attempt to quantify something that can't be explained. If it could be explained, why did the best quarterback in the NFL go in the 6th round? In the end, how many times someone can benchpress 185 lbs tells me how many times they can benchpress 185 lbs, nothing more and nothing less. If those measurables actually meant something then Trung Canidate would have run for 1500 yds and 15 scores for us instead of just becoming Matt Bowen's crash test dummy.

I like PDiddy, I really do, and I like that I'm the only one who calls Philip Daniels P Diddy. But I have this crazy dream, that one day we'll actually have a defensive end that is a force.

Now again, I love that we got weapons for Campbell. But at some point we are going to have to start drafting defensive ends before the 6th round, something we haven't done since 1997. Ten years and not one d-end has been "worthy" of being picked by us before round 6?

addressing the d-line and blowing a high round pick for no reason are NOT the same thing. merling wasn't a safe pick either, but as a prospect he'd be a much better shot.

and combine times aren't a catch all, so pulling out that strawman is pretty silly. what about mike williams amazing combine? maybe the lions should have checked the red flags there.

and brady was taken in the 6th because he wasn't even the starter at his college... but carson palmer, eli manning, peyton manning, phillip rivers, ben roth, etc were all taken in the first, and they've done alright. just because the pats get lucky on one pick doesn't make the draft bullshit or change the fact that most low rounders don't make it while most high round picks have longer careers.

i don't see how turning a "campbell wasn't a very good prospect" argument got morphed into a "the draft is worthless deal" between one guy's post and your reply. if we took campbell, i would have been pretty pissed, as would quite a few others here that follow the draft pretty closely.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by That Guy

addressing the d-line and blowing a high round pick for no reason are NOT the same thing. merling wasn't a safe pick either, but as a prospect he'd be a much better shot.

and combine times aren't a catch all, so pulling out that strawman is pretty silly. what about mike williams amazing combine? maybe the lions should have checked the red flags there.

and brady was taken in the 6th because he wasn't even the starter at his college... but carson palmer, eli manning, peyton manning, phillip rivers, ben roth, etc were all taken in the first, and they've done alright. just because the pats get lucky on one pick doesn't make the draft bullshit or change the fact that most low rounders don't make it while most high round picks have longer careers.

i don't see how turning a "campbell wasn't a very good prospect" argument got morphed into a "the draft is worthless deal" between one guy's post and your reply. if we took campbell, i would have been pretty pissed, as would quite a few others here that follow the draft pretty closely.

I think what someone does in pads and in competition in the fall should count more than what they do in t-shirts and tights in April. I don't think the draft is bullshit, but rather a crapshoot.

Regardless of who the Skins picked, there are going to be people who are going to be pissed. I think taking two wideouts and a backup tight end is overkill. If those guys turn our team from also ran into genuine contender, great, I'm all for it, I'm a Skins fan after all. I don't see how taking a d-lineman in the second round is "blowing a draft pick" but taking a backup tight end is going to open up our offense. Fred Davis at best, at BEST, is the 5th option when he hits the field behind both wideouts, Cooley, and then Portis. I'm all for improving, but improving your 5th option on offense is not as important as getting someone who can sack the qb. I was using Campbell as an example, again not stumping for Campbell. There were plenty of DE's that we could have taken, all I asked was for one. Is that so wrong?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

I was using Campbell as an example, again not stumping for Campbell. There were plenty of DE's that we could have taken, all I asked was for one. Is that so wrong?

no, and i even said, if trevor laws lasted 1 more pick, he'd probably be a skin right now, but philly beat us on that one. we did the best with what we had and the value was, overall, very good.

campbell at 290 and 8 reps seems like a huge fat@$$, not a monstrous run-stopping DE. and we will need to address OL and DL, because the starters on both are old, and while we have a couple decent (not great) DTs and OL depth, there's no young stud once griffin or carter are done on the DL, or for anyone on the OL (though the OL depth might, in time, turn out a couple starters).

the only other option besides a huge reach for a DE would have been a FA signing, but seeing how much old guys were going for (oakland paid 51mill for who? man...), it wouldn't have made the most sense long term. jared allen who have been nice, but there are 31 other teams trying to grab guys too.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by That Guy

no, and i even said, if trevor laws lasted 1 more pick, he'd probably be a skin right now, but philly beat us on that one. we did the best with what we had and the value was, overall, very good.

campbell at 290 and 8 reps seems like a huge fat@$$, not a monstrous run-stopping DE. and we will need to address OL and DL, because the starters on both are old, and while we have a couple decent (not great) DTs and OL depth, there's no young stud once griffin or carter are done on the DL, or for anyone on the OL (though the OL depth might, in time, turn out a couple starters).

the only other option besides a huge reach for a DE would have been a FA signing, but seeing how much old guys were going for (oakland paid 51mill for who? man...), it wouldn't have made the most sense long term. jared allen who have been nice, but there are 31 other teams trying to grab guys too.

First, none of these guys are finished products, they are 20, 21, 22 year olds who will grow into their bodies. At 6'7" and 290, Campbell has a lot of room to grow and I wouldn't mind taking a chance on him. By not drafting a DE the FO is seemingly satisfied with the status quo, I'm not impressed. Just like adding a 2nd TE opens up the offense, adding another pass rushing threat would add sizzle to the defense.

As far as reaching, the only one who really cares and notes reaches is Mel Kiper, Jr. If a guy produces for your team, it doesn't matter if you picked him a round before Mel Kiper, Jr. had him going. And if all these teams are doing their draft boards independently it would stand to reason that they have different grades, different perspectives, and different ideas about how every guy will help their team.

But we have who we have and I will cheer for them all because they are Redskins. No sour grapes, no more wishing and hoping.