FISA with Telecom Immunity Passed

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Originally Posted by Buster

We are becoming very spoiled.

Previous generations were willing to make sacrifices in wartime to succeed. WWII rations so we could fund the operation, women going to work in factories to supply their husbands at war and to raise the families, they felt some personal ties to the war and cared enough to see it all the way to success. In the Civil War, many more sacrifices were made. During the Revolutionary War, EVERYTHING was put at risk for their nation.

Making sacrifices is fine -- as long as it's not freedom that is being sacrificed. Working at factories, and helping the war effort is different from giving up liberties.

You mention the Revolutionary War as an example of sacrifice. Those sacrifices were made to obtain the liberties this country was founded on. Why squander those liberties, simply because of a perceived threat?

Originally Posted by Buster

Today, we all want to feel unaffected by the fight against our enemies and defense of our freedom. We oppose anything that reminds us we're at war, we focus on the negative and elect people who will even try to undermine our sons, brothers and fathers in harm's way. Before, a lot of these people would rightfully so be found guilty of treason.

Questioning the government (and opposing, when appropriate) is not treason -- it's patriotism.

Originally Posted by Buster

Listening in on terrorists and the people communicating with them has NO EFFECT on you if you are not doing it.

Not true. It sets a precedent. To think this law has "no effect" on the average citizen's liberties is naive.

Originally Posted by Buster

You are not losing any rights, but if we turn our backs on this fight, you WILL lose rights and maybe your life. Did you enjoy walking around the morning of 09/11 fearing or wondering if your city was next? Did you enjoy losing loved ones on that day (if any of you did)? That day, your freedom was stolen away. Do not selfishly oppose steps needed to make sure we kill the people who want to steal your freedom and life forever...or you'll really know what living under dear and oppression is like.

Fear mongering at its best. Sigh.

I am not scared of terrorists. And, if I was, I certainly wouldn't let that fear dictate which liberties I am assured.