FISA with Telecom Immunity Passed

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Originally Posted by dmek25

this post makes me chuckle. who appointed Donald Rumsfeld? in politics, its all about choices, and making sure you make the right ones. its not like Rumsfeld had changed his philosophies over the years. and im sure the decisions that were made were discussed, ad nauseum, in the war room( with the president present) and if the president wasn't involved in those decisions, its his fault for giving Rumsfeld free reign, to making some of the most important decisions of the world. im not ready to give president Bush a free pass on the Iraq mess

No free passes I agree but I can't be reasonable and think that the catalyst behind so much of the crap was Rumsfeld? This is what baffles me about politics. I have no allegiance to Bush more than Rumsfeld. I look at the two and ask myself "Which of these two guys is most directly responsible for the mess in Iraq?" Well Bush got us in but Rumsfeld blew it. Crap rolls up hill for sure and Bush certainly has his failings but in the case of the execution of our "plan" in Iraq you have look at Rumsfeld and say he was the causation. I don't understand why everything has to be laid right at Bush's feet and the mere mention that others had larger roles in policy is giving him a "free pass". I am simply talking about what actually happened. And what actually happened was that our President relied on Rumsfeld to do a job that he did poorly at best. Bush's screw up was Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld's screw up was our sh*t plan for actually doing our job once we rolled over Iraq's joke of an army.