Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)

[jsarno]

I have been out of pocket for a little while, so I get on the site a few minutes ago and see this...holy crap I am excited! This is a great move for us. A second rounder for a hall of famer with a couple years left is a good deal. We now have a legitimate pass rush which is something we haven't had in years.

Due to the fact that I do not have time to read through 18 pages, I have 2 questions that could have already been answered, but I would appreciate a re-cap, or a link if you know where the answer is:
1- What are the salary cap implications for us for getting Taylor?
2- What number will Taylor have, I'd love to get his jersey.

[jsarno]

FYI- John Clayton reported on NFL live that he thinks we have a good shot at 50 sacks this season with Taylor on the line. That's great news considering we had 33 last year...and I don't recall the last time we had 50.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

FYI- John Clayton reported on NFL live that he thinks we have a good shot at 50 sacks this season with Taylor on the line. That's great news considering we had 33 last year...and I don't recall the last time we had 50.

I like John Clayton a lot, I really do, but when I read this, I instantly thought of Steve Phillips prediction the '08 Detroit Tigers would score 1000 runs this year.

Not going to happen. I'd be happy with a 5 sack improvement on the 33 figure from last year.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I like John Clayton a lot, I really do, but when I read this, I instantly thought of Steve Phillips prediction the '08 Detroit Tigers would score 1000 runs this year.

Not going to happen. I'd be happy with a 5 sack improvement on the 33 figure from last year.

That would make this trade a colossal bust if we improved by only 5 sacks.. You'd be happy with that?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

That would make this trade a colossal bust if we improved by only 5 sacks.. You'd be happy with that?

Not happy, happy, but you know what I mean. Satisfied.

A 5 sack increase is significant over last year. 7-8 sacks would be even better, and the more sacks they get, the happier I am.

Remember that older units trend downwards in terms of production, so the Redskins had to improve their pass rush just to stay at 33 sacks. I think Taylor is good enough to get us to 38-40, but 50 sacks is a pipe dream.

Taylor himself should get about ten sacks, but some those sacks are going to be taken from Carter, Washington, and Rocky. Only Rocky is a good bet to match his sack production from last year (3). If anything, the addition of Taylor means that Washington will be asked to come less often on the pass rush. He won't line up as a down lineman on passing downs anymore.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

That would make this trade a colossal bust if we improved by only 5 sacks.. You'd be happy with that?

Bumping this thread.

Clayton said we could get 50 sacks. We got 25 sacks. Hey, he was half-right!

We got 8 fewer sacks than last year. I believe a schematic change is primarily responsible.

But reading through this thread, it seems somewhat insincere that people would bitch about not having a 2nd rounder this year. We got a pro-bowler didn't you hear?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Bumping this thread.

Clayton said we could get 50 sacks. We got 25 sacks. Hey, he was half-right!

We got 8 fewer sacks than last year. I believe a schematic change is primarily responsible.

But reading through this thread, it seems somewhat insincere that people would bitch about not having a 2nd rounder this year. We got a pro-bowler didn't you hear?

mmmmm hindsight

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Bumping this thread.

Clayton said we could get 50 sacks. We got 25 sacks. Hey, he was half-right!

We got 8 fewer sacks than last year. I believe a schematic change is primarily responsible.

But reading through this thread, it seems somewhat insincere that people would bitch about not having a 2nd rounder this year. We got a pro-bowler didn't you hear?

Sweet vindication for you.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I like John Clayton a lot, I really do, but when I read this, I instantly thought of Steve Phillips prediction the '08 Detroit Tigers would score 1000 runs this year.

I thought that was a bit overzealous as well. They are on pace for 806 runs this year. However, Phillips tends to use emotion with his predictions while Clayton is more level headed. Clayton is right A LOT. While he didn't guarentee a 50 sack season, he did say we could be close. To me, 45 is close, and 48 would be amazing!

Not going to happen. I'd be happy with a 5 sack improvement on the 33 figure from last year.

I do not think a 5 sack improvement would be something I'd be happy with. We need more than that. We have complained about our pass rush for a while, and while 33 was an improvement last year, it was not what we were looking for. Let us not forget that Taylor outsacked Carter last year. With those two together, they should create A LOT of disruption.

[MTK]

JT's presence alone in the lineup should help open things up for everyone else. If we only log 38 sacks this year I'd definitely call it a huge flop. 50 might be on the high end, but I can see us in the mid 40's.

[freddyg12]

Someone mentioned that JT has more career defended passes & Int.s than Carlos Rogers. That's not a knock on Rogers really, I believe batted down passes count as passes defended.

Let's not forget that dude is 6'5 & athletic, even when he's blocked he is an obstacle at the line & he's quick enough to get a good vertical jump. He'll knock down some balls, something the skins D has done very well under GW, hopefully we see that continue w/Blache.

Also, JT plays the screen very well & gets downfield after recievers on those quick hit slants & hooks. We could improve by 5 sacks this year & see a big difference. QBs will be quicker to get rid of the ball. We might see less of an impact on sacks & more int.s & fumbles.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Someone mentioned that JT has more career defended passes & Int.s than Carlos Rogers. That's not a knock on Rogers really, I believe batted down passes count as passes defended.

Let's not forget that dude is 6'5 & athletic, even when he's blocked he is an obstacle at the line & he's quick enough to get a good vertical jump. He'll knock down some balls, something the skins D has done very well under GW, hopefully we see that continue w/Blache.

Also, JT plays the screen very well & gets downfield after recievers on those quick hit slants & hooks. We could improve by 5 sacks this year & see a big difference. QBs will be quicker to get rid of the ball. We might see less of an impact on sacks & more int.s & fumbles.

That's exactly what I was thinking. I definitely expect more picks.

I'm thinking Springs will get his share of picks, but QBs will probably target Rogers more. I'd like to see him get 3 - 5 picks, as well as Landry.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

A decent article outlining the thoughts of the NFL Network analysts about the Jason Taylor trade:

Good deal: Dolphins, Redskins, and Taylor all winners

Deion Sanders:
"Washington already had a solid defense and this just adds to it."

Steve Mariucci:
"I understand why it took so long to get a deal done. To give away a second-round pick for a guy that stated he may only play one year; you expect a player acquired for a second-rounder to play four to five years on your team. I’m sure the Redskins discussed with him about playing more than one year."

Brian Ball-dinger:
"[Jason Taylor] changes games. He’s instantly the best pass rusher in that division; he’s the most complete."

Rich Eisen:
"Jason Taylor gets a chance for a ring. Miami gets a second-round pick and the Redskins get one of the game's best."

[Drift Reality]

I have mixed feelings about the trade. I like the fact that we got a guy who is a veteran leader who probably still has some gas left in the tank and can bring a consistent defensive presence to that left-side, which we lacked last year. I also like the fact that we didn't give up a 1st rounder for him.

Now, I don't like the fact that we were relying on a 34-year old to start on that side and didn't have any depth at such an important position so we had to make a typical 'reactive' move.

To me, it would have been proactive to use one of our early draft picks on a DE.

If you asked me would I rather have:

Scenario #1 - Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Fred Davis, Jason Taylor

or

Scenario #2 - Devin Thomas, Calais Campbell, Fred Davis, 2nd round pick, 6th round pick

I would choose scenario #2.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Drift Reality

I have mixed feelings about the trade. I like the fact that we got a guy who is a veteran leader who probably still has some gas left in the tank and can bring a consistent defensive presence to that left-side, which we lacked last year. I also like the fact that we didn't give up a 1st rounder for him.

Now, I don't like the fact that we were relying on a 34-year old to start on that side and didn't have any depth at such an important position so we had to make a typical 'reactive' move.

To me, it would have been proactive to use one of our early draft picks on a DE.

If you asked me would I rather have:

Scenario #1 - Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Fred Davis, Jason Taylor

or

Scenario #2 - Devin Thomas, Calais Campbell, Fred Davis, 2nd round pick, 6th round pick

I would choose scenario #2.

This post reminds me of the old saying..."learn to accept the things you can not change". We didn't do scenario 2, so we have to move on and work with what we have. I love the move personally. It's one of those rare moves that is a complete slam dunk for both teams.

Don't forget, there could have been a scenario 3 where we traded away a first rounder, or even a second rounder and another higher pick. I think the team did well with showing patience for a change.