Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Daniels' injury could be a blessing in disguise.

Blessing in disguise? How? The guy has been dancing all off season. Plus he wants to only play one more year. This is why you have draft picks waiting in the wings when your 50 year old DE does down. And don't give me any Buzbee talk cause he didn't even see the field last year. He was a practice squad player. I'm talking about a draft pick that can step right in. What about Evans?? You don't see the NYG trading for anyone once Strahan stepped down. That's cause they prepared for his retirement. I think depending on Daniels to make it through another year was a mistake and this trade was a knee jerk reaction. Awful trade.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Blessing in disguise? How?

Simple, Jason Taylor is a Pro Bowl caliber player. Phillip Daniels while a solid player was nothing special. We needed this upgrade even before Daniels went down. Now we have two ends who can both get around the corner. I don't see how you can not like this deal considering the circumstances. And there's already been indications that he will play out his 2 years at the least.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Simple, Jason Taylor is a Pro Bowl caliber player. Phillip Daniels while a solid player was nothing special. We needed this upgrade even before Daniels went down. Now we have two ends who can both get around the corner. I don't see how you can not like this deal considering the circumstances. And there's already been indications that he will play out his 2 years at the least.

I just don't like it. No one else was offering jack for the guy cause they know he might only play one more year.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Blessing in disguise? How? The guy has been dancing all off season. Plus he wants to only play one more year. This is why you have draft picks waiting in the wings when your 50 year old DE does down. And don't give me any Buzbee talk cause he didn't even see the field last year. He was a practice squad player. I'm talking about a draft pick that can step right in. What about Evans?? You don't see the NYG trading for anyone once Strahan stepped down. That's cause they prepared for his retirement. I think depending on Daniels to make it through another year was a mistake and this trade was a knee jerk reaction. Awful trade.

Some thoughts

1. Agree that losing Daniels is not a blessing in disguise

2. So he danced, so what? It's not like he got out of shape or has ever come to a season unprepared

3. How do you know a draft pick would be any more prepared to come in than a player who actually has a year of NFL experience, albeit limited, under his belt?

4. How exactly did the Giants prepare for Strahan's retirement?

5. I think labeling this trade awful is...a knee jerk reaction

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Some thoughts

1. Agree that losing Daniels is not a blessing in disguise

2. So he danced, so what? It's not like he got out of shape or has ever come to a season unprepared

3. How do you know a draft pick would be any more prepared to come in than a player who actually has a year of NFL experience, albeit limited, under his belt?

4. How exactly did the Giants prepare for Strahan's retirement?

5. I think labeling this trade awful is...a knee jerk reaction

1.The Giants have a few young DE's that can take Strahans place. They do and did have a plan.

2. It just seems selfish to go on TV and prance around when your team went 1-15 and you're suppose to be one of the leaders. Do that shit you retire. I don't blame Parcells one damn bit. I'm sure he wasn't busting his ass staying in shape like his teammates were. He seems more worried about his Hollywood career at this point of his life than his football career.

3. I'm saying a guy that has been on the bench for a few years. Not someone right out of the draft. Like D. Evans. Why not plug him in and give the guy a chance? How many years has he been here????? It's time for him to become a full time player!! I just think that constantly chasing old guys cause we don't a plan is not the way to do things. This is the 2nd year in a row where we had to give up draft picks and bring in an old guy cause there was no one of any quality waiting behind the current starter. No plan last year when Dock left. Oh yeah... we tried that Todd Wade experiment. That didn't go over so well.

The reason I'm not happy about his trade is we've already tried this way for several years and it hasn't wokred.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

1.The Giants have a few young DE's that can take Strahans place. They do and did have a plan.

2. It just seems selfish to go on TV and prance around when your team went 1-15 and you're suppose to be one of the leaders. Do that shit you retire. I don't blame Parcells one damn bit. I'm sure he wasn't busting his ass staying in shape like his teammates were. He seems more worried about his Hollywood career at this point of his life than his football career.

3. I'm saying a guy that has been on the bench for a few years. Not someone right out of the draft. Like D. Evans. Why not plug him in and give the guy a chance? How many years has he been here????? It's time for him to become a full time player!! I just think that constantly chasing old guys cause we don't a plan is not the way to do things. This is the 2nd year in a row where we had to give up draft picks and bring in an old guy cause there was no one of any quality waiting behind the current starter. No plan last year when Dock left. Oh yeah... we tried that Todd Wade experiment. That didn't go over so well.

The reason I'm not happy about his trade is we've already tried this way for several years and it hasn't wokred.

1. We'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think the Giants were specifically planning for Strahan's retirement 4 years ago when they drafted Tuck or 6 years ago when they drafted Omenyiora.

2. It's the offseason. He's entitled, especially considering what he's proven for over a decade, to do what he wants. He'll probably have more sacks alone than all of the Dolphins DEs

3. I'm sure Evans will get playing time, regardless.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

1. We'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think the Giants were specifically planning for Strahan's retirement 4 years ago when they drafted Tuck or 6 years ago when they drafted Omenyiora.

2. It's the offseason. He's entitled, especially considering what he's proven for over a decade, to do what he wants. He'll probably have more sacks alone than all of the Dolphins DEs

3. I'm sure Evans will get playing time, regardless.

1. The Giants may not have been planning for Strahan's retirement when they picked Osi in '03, but they sure have been ever since. Even with those bookends they continued to draft DEs in '04 (Reggie Torbor), '05 (Tuck), '06 (Mathias Kiwanuka) and even '08 (Robert Henderson, albeit in the 6th round). They have even played Tuck at DT and Kiwanuka at LB to get those guys reps on the field, Kiwanuka will probably go back to the D-line, but his experience at linebacker gives Spagnuolo even more flexibility.

2. I totally agree with you on Taylor dancing, he was doing that on his own time. Shawn Springs didn't come train at Redskin Park the past two years, but he's been our best corner. Parcells dissing Taylor was an old school move, kinda like GW and Lavar, or Schottenheimer and Centers. Pick one veteran to make an example that no one is bigger than the team.

3. Evans and Wilson will definitely get reps. James too, if he can get healthy. I like that our D-line got stronger from the top.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

1. The Giants may not have been planning for Strahan's retirement when they picked Osi in '03, but they sure have been ever since. Even with those bookends they continued to draft DEs in '04 (Reggie Torbor), '05 (Tuck), '06 (Mathias Kiwanuka) and even '08 (Robert Henderson, albeit in the 6th round). They have even played Tuck at DT and Kiwanuka at LB to get those guys reps on the field, Kiwanuka will probably go back to the D-line, but his experience at linebacker gives Spagnuolo even more flexibility.

2. I totally agree with you on Taylor dancing, he was doing that on his own time. Shawn Springs didn't come train at Redskin Park the past two years, but he's been our best corner. Parcells dissing Taylor was an old school move, kinda like GW and Lavar, or Schottenheimer and Centers. Pick one veteran to make an example that no one is bigger than the team.

3. Evans and Wilson will definitely get reps. James too, if he can get healthy. I like that our D-line got stronger from the top.

Great points and I totally agree with you especially on point #2 regarding Parcells old style and making an example of a veteran from the team to send a message that no one is above the team.

Perfect example of this is when he first took the job as coach of the Cowboys, he first order of business was to RELEASE Emmit Smith. And Emmit went to Arizona.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

1. The Giants may not have been planning for Strahan's retirement when they picked Osi in '03, but they sure have been ever since. Even with those bookends they continued to draft DEs in '04 (Reggie Torbor), '05 (Tuck), '06 (Mathias Kiwanuka) and even '08 (Robert Henderson, albeit in the 6th round). They have even played Tuck at DT and Kiwanuka at LB to get those guys reps on the field, Kiwanuka will probably go back to the D-line, but his experience at linebacker gives Spagnuolo even more flexibility.

2. I totally agree with you on Taylor dancing, he was doing that on his own time. Shawn Springs didn't come train at Redskin Park the past two years, but he's been our best corner. Parcells dissing Taylor was an old school move, kinda like GW and Lavar, or Schottenheimer and Centers. Pick one veteran to make an example that no one is bigger than the team.

3. Evans and Wilson will definitely get reps. James too, if he can get healthy. I like that our D-line got stronger from the top.

I never understood the big deal over the dancing deal. It was the offseason and he didn't miss any mandatory work as far as I know. It was vintage Parcells as you said. Just his way of putting his stamp on the team and sending the message that he's in town. Nothing more. It's funny how vilified Taylor has been over this whole thing. Two years ago he was defensive MVP and last year he was the NFL man of the year, and here he is getting shit on for going on a TV show during his offseason.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I never understood the big deal over the dancing deal. It was the offseason and he didn't miss any mandatory work as far as I know. It was vintage Parcells as you said. Just his way of putting his stamp on the team and sending the message that he's in town. Nothing more. It's funny how vilified Taylor has been over this whole thing. Two years ago he was defensive MVP and last year he was the NFL man of the year, and here he is getting shit on for going on a TV show during his offseason.

You know if the Dolphins were 11-5 or 10-6 I could see that point of view. But when a team is 1-15 and the clear-cut leader of the team is "other-wise occupied" during the off-season, it kinda sends a mixed signal to the younger players on that team.

Don't get me wrong, I do think Parcells should not have made a big deal about this. But look at it this way.

Let's say the Redskins went 1-15, hired a new coach, coordinators etc. Having to put a new system in place, how would you feel if Clinton Portis did something like that?

I just think that there is a better time to commit to these off-season things than when your team is 1-15 and you are supposed to be setting the example. If they had a winning record, there would not be such a big deal about it.

[Skins_4_Lyfe]

So who will wear #99 this season......

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Blessing in disguise? How? The guy has been dancing all off season. Plus he wants to only play one more year. This is why you have draft picks waiting in the wings when your 50 year old DE does down. And don't give me any Buzbee talk cause he didn't even see the field last year. He was a practice squad player. I'm talking about a draft pick that can step right in. What about Evans?? You don't see the NYG trading for anyone once Strahan stepped down. That's cause they prepared for his retirement. I think depending on Daniels to make it through another year was a mistake and this trade was a knee jerk reaction. Awful trade.

While I'd agree that one of our first three picks would have been well spent on a DT or DE, we did address needs in the draft. I think given today's situation (independent of draft day), we made a good move. A 2nd and 6th for a top 5 defensive player in the league is well worth it, and Vinny said he's "100% certain Taylor will play more than one year." Taylor has repeatedly said he wants to win more than anything, and now he has a chance to play for a playoff-caliber team in the league's best division. I'd want to retire ASAP too if I had just suffered through that 1-15 debacle. The stage here is different. He's playing closer to his home (Pitt) for a team with a great locker room, an owner with Hollywood pull, and an on the field product capable of a playoff run. I think he'll be happy to play out the last two years of his contract here.

I also think it's very important to point out (while knocking on wood) that Jason Taylor hasn't missed a game since 1999 (he missed 1 that year), and has only missed 4 his entire career. Not to mention he said Dancing With Stars has his flexibility better than it's ever been. Some nice positives there.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GMScud

While I'd agree that one of our first three picks would have been well spent on a DT or DE, we did address needs in the draft. I think given today's situation (independent of draft day), we made a good move. A 2nd and 6th for a top 5 defensive player in the league is well worth it, and Vinny said he's "100% certain Taylor will play more than one year." Taylor has repeatedly said he wants to win more than anything, and now he has a chance to play for a playoff-caliber team in the league's best division. I'd want to retire ASAP too if I had just suffered through that 1-15 debacle. The stage here is different. He's playing closer to his home (Pitt) for a team with a great locker room, an owner with Hollywood pull, and an on the field product capable of a playoff run. I think he'll be happy to play out the last two years of his contract here.

I also think it's very important to point out (while knocking on wood) that Jason Taylor hasn't missed a game since 1999 (he missed 1 that year), and has only missed 4 his entire career. Not to mention he said Dancing With Stars has his flexibility better than it's ever been. Some nice positives there.

I don't think he is a top 5 defensive player right now. In 06 yes, but not now.He's going to be 34 soon. I hope I'm wrong.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think he is a top 5 defensive player right now. In 06 yes, but not now.He's going to be 34 soon. I hope I'm wrong.

I don't think he'll be a top 5 either but not because of age. Last year, at age 33) he had 11 sacks, 1 INT and a TD. Not too shabby for a decrepit old geezer.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GMScud

While I'd agree that one of our first three picks would have been well spent on a DT or DE, we did address needs in the draft. I think given today's situation (independent of draft day), we made a good move. A 2nd and 6th for a top 5 defensive player in the league is well worth it, and Vinny said he's "100% certain Taylor will play more than one year." Taylor has repeatedly said he wants to win more than anything, and now he has a chance to play for a playoff-caliber team in the league's best division. I'd want to retire ASAP too if I had just suffered through that 1-15 debacle. The stage here is different. He's playing closer to his home (Pitt) for a team with a great locker room, an owner with Hollywood pull, and an on the field product capable of a playoff run. I think he'll be happy to play out the last two years of his contract here.

I also think it's very important to point out (while knocking on wood) that Jason Taylor hasn't missed a game since 1999 (he missed 1 that year), and has only missed 4 his entire career. Not to mention he said Dancing With Stars has his flexibility better than it's ever been. Some nice positives there.

Sheesh. It sounded good at the time. Boy do I feel dumb.