Obama Selects Senator Joe Biden as Running Mate

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not sure that's possible. If that happens we're in for a world of shit.

People probably wouldn't have thought it possible after Buchanan, or Harding, or Hoover.

I think that these are actually two strong candidates though

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

People probably wouldn't have thought it possible after Buchanan, or Harding, or Hoover.

I think that these are actually two strong candidates though

Wait, I thought the original quote was that we were expecting a worse President after Bush.

Lincoln followed Buchanan - Arguably the greatest President ever.

Coolidge followed Harding - While not a "great" President, he presided over a period of prosperity, and is generally considered a good President.

F.D.R. followed Hoover - Certainly a great President and maybe the only other one in the same class as Lincoln and Washington.

If either McCain or Obama is the next Lincoln, F.D.R. or even Coolidge, I will: 1) Sit in the upper deck of the Linc in full Redskins attire shouting "Eagles suck"; and 2) discount all evidence of global warming as Hell most assuredly had frozen over.

[Monkeydad]

def. of Swiftboating = When the opposition finds and tells the truth about a lie you told, a counter-attack that cries "swiftboating" can be used (by the Democrats) to distract the issue and accuse the other party of lying when in reality, it was you who lied first.

It was a lame, whiny attempt at a cover-up when John Kerry cried about this, it's even more stupid now because there are no actual boats involved in Obama's lies.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Buster

def. of Swiftboating = When the opposition finds and tells the truth about a lie you told, a counter-attack that cries "swiftboating" can be used (by the Democrats) to distract the issue and accuse the other party of lying when in reality, it was you who lied first.

It was a lame, whiny attempt at a cover-up when John Kerry cried about this, it's even more stupid now because there are no actual boats involved in Obama's lies.

Swiftboating = Swift Boat tactics...it is what John Corsi is doing.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by saden1

Your implication is that his son's consulting had something to do with his vote? The implication that the state of Delaware is home to enormous number of credit card companies and therefore he's in their pockets would have been more palpable.

Originally Posted by saden1

Swiftboating = Swift Boat tactics...it is what John Corsi is doing.

It's only a sinister plot when the other guy is doing it.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

It's only a sinister plot when the other guy is doing it.

Give me facts and you have yourself the truth. Flexing your imagination is not the truth.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Buster

def. of Swiftboating = When the opposition finds and tells the truth about a lie you told, a counter-attack that cries "swiftboating" can be used (by the Democrats) to distract the issue and accuse the other party of lying when in reality, it was you who lied first.

It was a lame, whiny attempt at a cover-up when John Kerry cried about this, it's even more stupid now because there are no actual boats involved in Obama's lies.

And what lie did John Kerry tell? Please do not offer links to Fox News articles.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Buster

def. of Swiftboating = When the opposition finds and tells the truth about a lie you told, a counter-attack that cries "swiftboating" can be used (by the Democrats) to distract the issue and accuse the other party of lying when in reality, it was you who lied first.

It was a lame, whiny attempt at a cover-up when John Kerry cried about this, it's even more stupid now because there are no actual boats involved in Obama's lies.

sometimes it seems like the G.O.P would rather bash their opponent, rather then discuss policy. im sure for the handful of vets the republicans trotted out saying Kerry wasn't this and wasn't that, the Dem's could trot out the same amount of vets to counter this. but why was his service to his country even an issue? did anyone care when Dick Cheney said he had more important things to do then to serve in the armed forces? i really don't care about this stuff. all i want is someone, anyone, that is competent enough to run this complex country we live in. eight years of a total diaster should have evreyone clamouring for solid leadership.

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by dmek25

sometimes it seems like the G.O.P would rather bash their opponent, rather then discuss policy. im sure for the handful of vets the republicans trotted out saying Kerry wasn't this and wasn't that, the Dem's could trot out the same amount of vets to counter this. but why was his service to his country even an issue? did anyone care when Dick Cheney said he had more important things to do then to serve in the armed forces? i really don't care about this stuff. all i want is someone, anyone, that is competent enough to run this complex country we live in. eight years of a total diaster should have evreyone clamouring for solid leadership.

Thats only because the Republican policy sucks so bad that they have to bash their opponent and descredit him or her. If they don't do that then they won't win any elections.

I agree to with the competency thing! I believe our President should be smart enough to know how many houses he owns!

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by dmek25

sometimes it seems like the G.O.P would rather bash their opponent, rather then discuss policy. im sure for the handful of vets the republicans trotted out saying Kerry wasn't this and wasn't that, the Dem's could trot out the same amount of vets to counter this. but why was his service to his country even an issue? did anyone care when Dick Cheney said he had more important things to do then to serve in the armed forces? i really don't care about this stuff. all i want is someone, anyone, that is competent enough to run this complex country we live in. eight years of a total diaster should have evreyone clamouring for solid leadership.

I believe you have that backwards.

McCain has offered economic plans, energy plans that involve drilling and alternative forms of energy, a plan to complete the war in Iraq without suddenly surrendering, immigration ideas and many others.

Obama has preached about "change" and how he's "the chosen one". Please tell us what the change will be.

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by Buster

I believe you have that backwards.

McCain has offered economic plans, energy plans that involve drilling and alternative forms of energy, a plan to complete the war in Iraq without suddenly surrendering, immigration ideas and many others.

Obama has preached about "change" and how he's "the chosen one". Please tell us what the change will be.

"I don't know uhhhh maybe a hundred years" - John McCain on when we'll complete the war in Iraq without "Surrending".

Great plan John!

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Miller101

"I don't know uhhhh maybe a hundred years" - John McCain on when we'll complete the war in Iraq without "Surrending".

Great plan John!

Ha...listening to Obama's nonsense and misquotes I see.

His "100 years" was in reference to how long we'd have troop presence there. We still have troops stationed in Japan, Germany, Korean border, Central America everywhere we've fought from WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam...etc. Examining history, he's most likely right.

No one is picketing and demanding withdrawl from those places? Why not? Because President Bush wasn't in charge of those conflicts. Too many people, especially the anti-war crowd lets there blind and immature hatred for the President overshadow common sense, history and current events. If it is tied to President Bush, they automatically hate the idea.

Open a book and learn some history. Oh, and stay engaged with the current events.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Buster

I believe you have that backwards.

McCain has offered economic plans, energy plans that involve drilling and alternative forms of energy, a plan to complete the war in Iraq without suddenly surrendering, immigration ideas and many others.

Obama has preached about "change" and how he's "the chosen one". Please tell us what the change will be.

i don't think anyone has ever used the word surrender. and i could give a rats ass about immigration. it seems like McCain's big energy plan is to offer a bounty for coming up with a new battery, and the gas tax holiday, which to me is a joke. are we in agreement that drilling isn't the answer. or maybe just short term? the change i look for is just a different way of doing things in Washington. not just the old status quo. a new face, with hopefully new ideas.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Buster

I believe you have that backwards.

McCain has offered economic plans, energy plans that involve drilling and alternative forms of energy, a plan to complete the war in Iraq without suddenly surrendering, immigration ideas and many others.

Obama has preached about "change" and how he's "the chosen one". Please tell us what the change will be.

So Buster after 22 nationally televised debates, countless interviews, two books authored by the candidate, a website with a litany of specific details on energy, the economy, healthcare, woman's reproductive health care rights, education and college tuition, benefits for our veterans, and yes, foreign policy. You mean to tell me that you don't have one iota of what Obama is talking about?

By the way, in terms of exiting Iraq, it looks like the time table is somewhere around 2011.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

So Buster after 22 nationally televised debates, countless interviews, two books authored by the candidate, a website with a litany of specific details on energy, the economy, healthcare, woman's reproductive health care rights, education and college tuition, benefits for our veterans, and yes, foreign policy. You mean to tell me that you don't have one iota of what Obama is talking about?

By the way, in terms of exiting Iraq, it looks like the time table is somewhere around 2011.

He consistently changes his positions on a weekly basis...so no. Most people do not know what he stands for (currently).

The majority of his short time in the Senate consisted of voting "present" so he wouldn't have to take a stand.

His "glorious" speeches are like sermons, speaking in platitudes of "hope" and "change".

He refused to debate Clinton late in the primaries and is limiting his debates with McCain to only 3. Why? Probably because he's a horrible speaker without a teleprompter. He's a talented speech reader, but stutters and rambles until an idea arises in debates and interviews.

Barack Obama's policy switches are giving the Left whiplash

The Democratic nominee's policy pivots are causing anguish among liberals. He is no fool -



Barack Obama's policy switches are giving the Left whiplash | Gerard Baker - Times Online



An example of one of his many lies:


Townhall.com - Printer Friendly

Sen. Barack Obama is reaching out to new sources, including Washington insiders whose influence he has vowed to end. Obama is now using lists of contributors to Democratic congressional chairmen, primarily lobbyists of both parties.

From Obama's own website: Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Ethics

A High Standard: Unlike other candidates Obama's campaign refuses to accept contributions from Washington lobbyists and political action committees.

Speaking of his website, it was reported before some debates that he removed and/or changed many issues that may have caused criticism.

He's not a revolutionary candidate. He's more of the same, possibly a worse than usual politician.



Bonus: for everyone who claims that Republicans are "in the pocket of 'Big Oil'" -
Report: Exxon Execs Gave More to Obama | The Trail | washingtonpost.com


Another VERY interesting and alarming read:

American Thinker: Obama's Foreign Donors: The media averts its eyes