Hey, the sun did rise this morning!

[Ruhskins]

Just a couple of things...

- Campbell has a lot of work to do. He f'ed up yesterday, and good players learn from their mistakes and move on. Collins is not the answer, and neither is Brennan, so everyone get over yourselves and let JC learn from this. Luckily it is the preseason.

- Reed Doughty is an average player, he's not Sean Taylor nor is he Laron Landry. We were fortunate to have an elite Safety tandem last year, but tragically we lost that. Moore and Horton are rookies, and they are not the answer this year, they will be the answer next season. Doughtly looked bad yesterday, but so did all the starters, and we're not going to bench them all (don't answer that).

- Like someone mentioned, I'm glad there are no "this team fought its guts out" quotes from the coaches. I hope they are taking this loss hard, and learning from their mistakes.

- And finally, I think a lot of us (at least I a) are dissappointed b/c we're seeing the same weak offense again. Seriously a lot of us are not expecting a trip to the SB, but I am tired of the anemic offense this team has. I hope they fix this soon.

- Finally, we could be in a worst situation, Taylor could be out for the season like Osi is...so at least we left this game somewhat healthy.

[Lady Brave]

It was definately much more painful to watch live.

VAO2006... by the time I sent you that text, I was laughing. I couldn't help it. I'm not ready to call for anyone's head yet. It'll take a few games into the regular season before I really get concerned. When you've been a fan for 26 years, nothing really surprises me anymore. That's one of the reasons I never make predictions about anything concerning this team.

For those who were there, how was your walk out of the stadium? Mine wasn't too bad. Just a few jeers. I think it's mainly because Panther fans are just lazy.

[vaoutlaws2006]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

It was definately much more painful to watch live.

VAO2006... by the time I sent you that text, I was laughing. I couldn't help it. I'm not ready to call for anyone's head yet. It'll take a few games into the regular season before I really get concerned. When you've been a fan for 26 years, nothing really surprises me anymore. That's one of the reasons I never make predictions about anything concerning this team.

For those who were there, how was your walk out of the stadium? Mine wasn't too bad. Just a few jeers. I think it's mainly because Panther fans are just lazy.

when fox challenged the spot when it was 44-3 i almost got into it with some panther fans....but the ultimate jeer was when i left and the usher just outside the north elevator said....dont you think its time to take that redskin hat off...i said i ll take it off after you get done sucking my you know what....lol!!!!! sorry i missed you at picasso's

[bertoskins2]

bring back arrington

[htownskinfan]

I've been avoiding the sports news all day because I went out of town and had the game taped today,just finished watching it,WOW!!,what a shocker
I'm trying not to get too upset about it,tgip.The thing most concerning to me was off and def line play,just terrible.Nobody really looked like they came to play,even Rock on the kickoff returns looked like he was playing not to get hurt,he looked very slow,not trying to hit the holes.Hard to judge Jc with no protection.The def needs Landry back quick.Even though we beat the jets Favre pretty much did whatever he wanted against us,defense has got to step it up.I'm going to try and go the pos route and hope this is a wakeup call.I seem to recall the first yr of Spurriers preseason team of us just rolling over people,I thought we were going to be really good,we know how that turned out.Sometimes preseason is an indicator of how good your going to be,sometimes its not,right now we just dont know.I think were looking at 8-8 realistically,if some breaks go our way 10-6.The off line already looks terrible,if we suffer any major injuries along it I think we'll be lucky to be .500

[The Goat]

Huh.

I only saw bits and pieces of the game, but I saw enough of it (and read enough analysis about it the last 24 hours) to know our lines on both side of the ball aren't playing anywhere near pro football caliber. I'm surprised about the d-line and really can't think of anything to say there... but holy shit this situation w/ the o-line has become a travesty. I can't believe it's not the main topic on the board right now. Jansen's continued presence on the field (even on the sideline) seems almost conspiratorial. I don't think there is another team out there that would even give him the league min. Why am I picking specifically on JJ? I have faith that the other guys on the o-line can at least play at an avg level and give us a friggin shot (three of them played well through most of last year and no way can talent drop off so quickly). But for the love of all that is decent Jansen has looked like shit every time he's taken the field for two seasons now (at least when the frail man has been able to take the field). He's a guy who's been outspoken about never taking care of himself, and his performance clearly proves it.

In fact, I'm just shocked at this point that JC will actually take the field w/ Jansen in the line-up. I feel bad enough for the poor kid getting f'd damn near every season w/ a new offensive scheme to learn but the same smallish receivers that have not consistently delivered, but now he's got to sit back there knowing at least one side of the line is going to collapse during every series. This is not how a franchise produces an elite QB.

[JWsleep]

Did the sun rise or not?

Look, JC certainly needs to play better, but go and watch the Peppers sack again and tell me how that's JC's fault. That is a complete collapse by Samuels. MAYBE Michael Vick gets out of that one, but few others.

We got manhandled up front. Not a great game for evaluating QB play.

I'm not saying JC doesn't have to improve. No one is denying that, as far as I can tell here. But if the oline does not block, no one is going to save us at QB.

PS I am confident that Zorn will help JC to take the next step. That's one thing he does have experience with.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Look, JC certainly needs to play better, but go and watch the Peppers sack again and tell me how that's JC's fault. That is a complete collapse by Samuels. MAYBE Michael Vick gets out of that one, but few others.

And the other three sacks? .... I swear, I think the kid is afraid to throw the damn ball or something. He has as rocket of an arm, so throw it away.... I mean seriously, wtf?!?!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

And the other three sacks? .... I swear, I think the kid is afraid to throw the damn ball or something. He has as rocket of an arm, so throw it away.... I mean seriously, wtf?!?!

To throw it away you have to be out of the pocket, I didn't see many opportunities for that. He had someone in his face on nearly every pass attempt it seemed.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Awful performance by all, hard to tell if it was the WRs not being open, the OL just stinking it up, or JC not making reads and releasing quickly enough. That aside, my biggest conern with JC is that damn long release. He brings the ball down to his waist before getting it out, I know old habits are hard to break, but I was hoping Zorn would've had him broken of that one by now. Ball held too low by QB = fumble.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Awful performance by all, hard to tell if it was the WRs not being open, the OL just stinking it up, or JC not making reads and releasing quickly enough. That aside, my biggest conern with JC is that damn long release. He brings the ball down to his waist before getting it out, I know old habits are hard to break, but I was hoping Zorn would've had him broken of that one by now. Ball held too low by QB = fumble.

All of the above.. He had no shot to complete those balls, the WR were locked down and the OL was 6 inches from his face from being pushed back..

[QUOTE=hesscl34]When you have time to pump fake twice, you have time to throw the ball.[\QUOTE]

The play where he 'double pumped' he was looking for Moss who slipped and then moved on to Cooley who was double covered. On a 3 step drop, it's not designed for you to have a bunch of time, get it and get it out. His options were compromised so would you rather a sack or pick 6?

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

To throw it away you have to be out of the pocket, I didn't see many opportunities for that. He had someone in his face on nearly every pass attempt it seemed.

When you have time to pump fake twice, you have time to throw the ball.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Did the sun rise or not?

Look, JC certainly needs to play better, but go and watch the Peppers sack again and tell me how that's JC's fault. That is a complete collapse by Samuels. MAYBE Michael Vick gets out of that one, but few others.

We got manhandled up front. Not a great game for evaluating QB play.

I'm not saying JC doesn't have to improve. No one is denying that, as far as I can tell here. But if the oline does not block, no one is going to save us at QB.

PS I am confident that Zorn will help JC to take the next step. That's one thing he does have experience with.

One thing I'm seeing is we're sending out 5 guys on just about every pass play. Does Zorn believe in keeping in guys to block? Cause from the looks of things our line is going to need help. It will be interesting to see what he does when the season starts. I know we all use to get on Gibbs cause he liked to keep in a lot of blockers.

[freddyg12]

I think someone posed the question earlier, was JC not seeing open recievers?

I bring it up because we tend to put it all on him or the o line. What if nobody was open on some of those sacks? If the recievers aren't open and/or they ran the wrong routes, at least we can say that he didn't force the ball into coverage.

The pump fakes might be because he decided last second not to throw the ball into coverage. I'll take that & a sack over an int.

[SmootSmack]

Some thoughts from Zorn:

Redskins' Starters May Not Rest Up - washingtonpost.com

During one stretch spanning two drives in the first quarter, Campbell was sacked three times in six plays. Carolina Pro Bowl defensive end Julius Peppers had a season's worth of highlight-tape footage on the third sack, pushing Samuels into Campbell, forcing a fumble and recovering the ball.

"I hate to say this, and he knows himself, and he did not play the rest of the game like this, but on the fumble [after] Jason got hit in the back, Chris Samuels wasn't ready for the explosion that he had with Julius Peppers," Zorn said. "Now, he anchored [the line] the rest of his time in there, but you've got to be ready for play [number] one. He takes pride in what he does, I know that, so it was hard for me to even say that."

Because of the offensive line's inability to provide consistent pass protection, "it was very challenging from a play-calling standpoint," Zorn said. "I was thinking about not putting our quarterback in a situation where he had to hold on to the ball for a real long time. That would have gotten into an even bigger mess. You saw us getting the ball out quick here and there 'cause it was hard to trust" the offensive linemen.

"I didn't feel like I had that luxury [to go downfield] because of the way that we were pass protecting. You have to feel solid in that pocket. You have to feel like they're going to be able to hold 'em off. You almost feel like putting one of those guys back there and saying, 'Okay, try this. Try to throw with somebody getting walked back in your face.' It's not easy."