Obama Selects Senator Joe Biden as Running Mate

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Originally Posted by Buster

He consistently changes his positions on a weekly basis...so no. Most people do not know what he stands for (currently).

The majority of his short time in the Senate consisted of voting "present" so he wouldn't have to take a stand.

His "glorious" speeches are like sermons, speaking in platitudes of "hope" and "change".

He refused to debate Clinton late in the primaries and is limiting his debates with McCain to only 3. Why? Probably because he's a horrible speaker without a teleprompter. He's a talented speech reader, but stutters and rambles until an idea arises in debates and interviews.

Barack Obama's policy switches are giving the Left whiplash

The Democratic nominee's policy pivots are causing anguish among liberals. He is no fool -



Barack Obama's policy switches are giving the Left whiplash | Gerard Baker - Times Online



An example of one of his many lies:


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From Obama's own website: Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Ethics



Speaking of his website, it was reported before some debates that he removed and/or changed many issues that may have caused criticism.

He's not a revolutionary candidate. He's more of the same, possibly a worse than usual politician.



Bonus: for everyone who claims that Republicans are "in the pocket of 'Big Oil'" -
Report: Exxon Execs Gave More to Obama | The Trail | washingtonpost.com


Another VERY interesting and alarming read:

American Thinker: Obama's Foreign Donors: The media averts its eyes

Oh, come on this is just more politics as usual. You know your not suppose to question what he says and its offensive.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Buster

He consistently changes his positions on a weekly basis...so no. Most people do not know what he stands for (currently).

The majority of his short time in the Senate consisted of voting "present" so he wouldn't have to take a stand.

His "glorious" speeches are like sermons, speaking in platitudes of "hope" and "change".

He refused to debate Clinton late in the primaries and is limiting his debates with McCain to only 3. Why? Probably because he's a horrible speaker without a teleprompter. He's a talented speech reader, but stutters and rambles until an idea arises in debates and interviews.

Barack Obama's policy switches are giving the Left whiplash

The Democratic nominee's policy pivots are causing anguish among liberals. He is no fool -



Barack Obama's policy switches are giving the Left whiplash | Gerard Baker - Times Online



An example of one of his many lies:


Townhall.com - Printer Friendly

From Obama's own website: Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Ethics



Speaking of his website, it was reported before some debates that he removed and/or changed many issues that may have caused criticism.

He's not a revolutionary candidate. He's more of the same, possibly a worse than usual politician.



Bonus: for everyone who claims that Republicans are "in the pocket of 'Big Oil'" -
Report: Exxon Execs Gave More to Obama | The Trail | washingtonpost.com


Another VERY interesting and alarming read:

American Thinker: Obama's Foreign Donors: The media averts its eyes

Those are good talking points, but if Obama has indeed changed positions weekly, give me two. FISA, yes, he switched his positions. And I won't get into the nuance of the bill because it's very complicated. But for the sake of argument, yes, he switched on FISA. That's the position that gave the Left pause, if any at all.

In terms of the war in Iraq, both the current Administration and the Iraqi government are most definitely leaning toward Obama's withdrawal timeline, which he proposed from the very start of this election and has maintained throughout. So no switch there. No flip and certainly no flop. He cited sixteen months at the start and his rhetoric has changed one iota. Now, if he get's in office and things warrant staying longer, should he hold fast to sixteen months for the saking of keeping his word, that would be foolish and a display of poor leadership. But based on the current conditions, as Obama sees them, sixteen months is probably a good starting place to begin to draw down.


Voting present in the Illinois Senate is not simply "present" or ducking responsibilty as some would imply. This is funny how it came up during the Primary, but no one cared to investigate what present actually means in the Senate. The Illinois Senate operates quite differently than most state legislations in the United States.
www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/opinion/16mikva.html

Speaking of missing votes, did you know that John McCain has missed more votes this year than any member in the U.S. Senate?


Obama's speeches, take it or leave it. Personally I don't think people being inspired for change and hoping for a new direction in our country is a bad thing. Especially when over 80% of Americans think we're on the wrong track. What, should we feel the opposite way? But I get what you're saying, you can do without the all the hype. Or stylistically, you're not feeling Barack. I can respect that.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Those are good talking points, but if Obama has indeed changed positions weekly, give me two. FISA, yes, he switched his positions. And I won't get into the nuance of the bill because it's very complicated. But for the sake of argument, yes, he switched on FISA. That's the position that gave the Left pause, if any at all.

In terms of the war in Iraq, both the current Administration and the Iraqi government are most definitely leaning toward Obama's withdrawal timeline, which he proposed from the very start of this election and has maintained throughout. So no switch there. No flip and certainly no flop. He cited sixteen months at the start and his rhetoric has changed one iota. Now, if he get's in office and things warrant staying longer, should he hold fast to sixteen months for the saking of keeping his word, that would be foolish and a display of poor leadership. But based on the current conditions, as Obama sees them, sixteen months is probably a good starting place to begin to draw down.


Voting present in the Illinois Senate is not simply "present" or ducking responsibilty as some would imply. This is funny how it came up during the Primary, but no one cared to investigate what present actually means in the Senate. The Illinois Senate operates quite differently than most state legislations in the United States.
www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/opinion/16mikva.html

Speaking of missing votes, did you know that John McCain has missed more votes this year than any member in the U.S. Senate?


Obama's speeches, take it or leave it. Personally I don't think people being inspired for change and hoping for a new direction in our country is a bad thing. Especially when over 80% of Americans think we're on the wrong track. What, should we feel the opposite way? But I get what you're saying, you can do without the all the hype. Or stylistically, you're not feeling Barack. I can respect that.

Public Campaign Funding
Offshore Drilling
NAFTA
DC Hand Gun Law (said it was unconstitutional then constitutional)
Corporate Taxes (said he thought they were wrong but in his own plains he has something like 300 mil in tax breaks)

On Iraq I feel he gave the impression that he would start removing troops right away which I feel he did to get the anti war group vote. Now he won the primary he is aying 16 months. I wont call that a flip flop but i think he did that in a wise politcal way to beat out Clinton.

He also said that the Bush/cheney energy bill was very bad but he himself voted for it in 2005.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by dmek25

sometimes it seems like the G.O.P would rather bash their opponent, rather then discuss policy.

Problem with the Democrats right now is that they can't agree on who their opponent is

Angry Clinton supporters toast McCain, roast Obama - CNN.com