Todd Collins: Best Backup QB in the NFL?

[BleedBurgundy]

The fact that Colt Brennan isn't listed #1 clearly demonstrates his lack of knowledge.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

The fact that Colt Brennan isn't listed #1 clearly demonstrates his lack of knowledge.

I think he knows a inside tip that Brennan will start the season as our starter.

In all seriousness i think that Brady Quinn is better then Collins.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

I think he knows a inside tip that Brennan will start the season as our starter.

In all seriousness i think that Brady Quinn is better then Collins.

Based on what exactly? A hunch? Because Quinn as you know hasn't even smelled the field yet in the regular season.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Based on what exactly? A hunch? Because Quinn as you know hasn't even smelled the field yet in the regular season.

I share WaldSkins opinion, but I don't know if I have a particularly great defense for that position. I would argue that being better than Todd Collins is exactly what I would expect from any 1st round pick in his 2nd year, and Brady Quinn is probably a special case in that he was the most complete prospect coming out of college in recent memory.

That, and I think a lot of people (Don Banks included) are tricking themselves into thinking that seeing that 7 good halves of football plus a shaky playoff game means that Todd Collins is a top of the line quarterback. He probably isn't, and he's on film now. We simply don't have any sort of significant sample on Todd Collins other then enough to say that the people (like me) who thought he didn't belong in the NFL were probably wrong.

Banks is making a big guess on Collins' future to rank him No. 1. I really hope we don't have to find out whether last year was for real or not.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Based on what exactly? A hunch? Because Quinn as you know hasn't even smelled the field yet in the regular season.

Yes a hunch. Although not seen yet in real NFL action, preseason can be used as a tool to see a players strengths. Quinn has the mobility,arm, and strength that Collins does not Posses. And I like a quarterback who gets the ball out on time.

[doughtydoubter]

i think there are a few peopl eout there that are better than collins,
brady quinn, seneca wallace, lienart, griese, etc etc...the list goes on.
I do think colt is the man tho. I kno wi know hes a rook....nothing proven...but you just get that feeling sometimes

[FRPLG]

I am a TC believer but I think the notion that he can execute the WCO better than Campbell is foolish. He is immobile and straight away that is a key compenent of the offense. I have a firm belief that in a pinch he can win us games but that is predicated on a belief that Zorn can gameplan the offense to fit Collins' strengths. If Campbell can just get some confidence he is going to be good. Right now he doesn't seem confident enough to make some of the throws that he can surely make which is why he seems to hold the ball too long. He's gotta drop back. Find the little opening and slam it in rather than waiting for a wide open reciever.

[saden1]

Wow, so many former Redskins playing second fiddle.

Gus Frerotte, Mark Brunell, Patrick Ramsey, Brad Johnson, Sage Rosenfels, and Trent Green.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by saden1

Wow, so many former Redskins playing second fiddle.

Gus Frerotte, Mark Brunell, Patrick Ramsey, Brad Johnson, Sage Rosenfels, and Trent Green.

Poor Brunell.... I wish him the best.

[doughtydoubter]

dude i bet brunell was glad to get out of here..he made a ton of money and never felt any love from the fans.

[skinsfan69]

I think TC is a top 5 back-up. But the best back-up in the NFL is Kerry Collins. I think he's better than half the current starters in the league. He's better than the starter on his own team! I just don't understand why a team like Baltimore doesn't just go out and get a guy like Kerry Collins.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think TC is a top 5 back-up. But the best back-up in the NFL is Kerry Collins. I think he's better than half the current starters in the league. He's better than the starter on his own team! I just don't understand why a team like Baltimore doesn't just go out and get a guy like Kerry Collins.

I think there are a lot of good backups in the NFL, but I don't think Kerry Collins is one of them. He might be better than Young right now though, he was last year.

But I do agree with you that if Baltimore wanted a short term fix at QB (which is what they did with McNair), they could have gone out and got a Brunell, or a Kerry Collins, or a Griese, or a Leftwich, or a Culpepper, or a Sage Rosenfels, and they would be the overwhelming favorites in the AFC North. Not all of those guys are particularly great passers, but they are all known quantities who could win on a team with that kind of defense.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think there are a lot of good backups in the NFL, but I don't think Kerry Collins is one of them. He might be better than Young right now though, he was last year.

But I do agree with you that if Baltimore wanted a short term fix at QB (which is what they did with McNair), they could have gone out and got a Brunell, or a Kerry Collins, or a Griese, or a Leftwich, or a Culpepper, or a Sage Rosenfels, and they would be the overwhelming favorites in the AFC North. Not all of those guys are particularly great passers, but they are all known quantities who could win on a team with that kind of defense.

Collins has several good things still going for him. Big arm, he can make all the throws, he's durable, he's shown he can take a team to the Super Bowl and he's pretty accurate. He just can't get out of his own way. He needs a great line in front of him.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Collins has several good things still going for him. Big arm, he can make all the throws, he's durable, he's shown he can take a team to the Super Bowl and he's pretty accurate. He just can't get out of his own way. He needs a great line in front of him.

Collins also throws the ball away way too much...and takes way too many sacks (offensive line issues noted) for a guy who throws away as many passes as he does. Case in point, he's thrown a completion % of 60 or higher once in his career (excluding last years 82 attempts).

That's fine if he's consistently beating his completion percentage with his TD/INT ratio...but he isn't. He's 1 to 1 for his career (174 TDs, 172 INTs). The thrown away passes aren't preventing Collins from getting picked off...they're just stalling the offense.

He did well in relief of Young last year, and you could do worse to have Kerry Collins as your backup quarterback, but most teams have done better, IMO.

[dmek25]

you had to go and bring up Patrick Ramsey, didnt you?