JC is not what I thought.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

You don't sound like a JC fan

He was bad very bad tonight. I realize that he will go through growing pains, but that was hard to watch. I sure as hell hope I am wrong. Like I said I have been a big JC supporter.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

He was bad very bad tonight. I realize that he will go through growing pains, but that was hard to watch. I sure as hell hope I am wrong. Like I said I have been a big JC supporter.

What in the hell were you expecting our offense to do against the Giants defense? Were you expecting a young Qb in his 3rd NFL offense in his 4th year to go off against the SB champs?? I honestly was expecting this.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

You don't sound like a JC fan

He sounds like a disgruntled JC fan.

It's kinda like how when you find out how Santa isn't real anymore. You keep hoping and wishing and then one day you're like... "Well damn."

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Let me get this straight. I argue that JC is not capable and you say that(directed to me) Matty might have to step in after that in general why don't you watch another team? I was a JC fan all along so when I get mad about his development this year you come up with this?

Okay. It looks like I've offended you somewhat. I'd like to just say I'm sorry and be done with it, but that would be partially insincere. The goal was to get you to think rationally (I'm under the impression that you are PUI -- posting under the influence, correct me if I'm wrong), because even though we disagree a lot, you are usually way more rational then this.

I think I've accomplished my goal to get you to be more rational. So now, I'm sorry if I offended you.

I can sympathize with your frustration with the offense, but I think you'd be best served to spread the blame/frusteration around and not act like Campbell's development curve is totally destroyed. This is a speed bump, not the Great Wall.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Okay. It looks like I've offended you somewhat. I'd like to just say I'm sorry and be done with it, but that would be partially insincere. The goal was to get you to think rationally (I'm under the impression that you are PUI -- posting under the influence, correct me if I'm wrong), because even though we disagree a lot, you are usually way more rational then this.

I think I've accomplished my goal to get you to be more rational. So now, I'm sorry if I offended you.

I can sympathize with your frustration with the offense, but I think you'd be best served to spread the blame/frusteration around and not act like Campbell's development curve is totally destroyed. This is a speed bump, not the Great Wall.

Now I'm rational. Thank you. After we argued for so long on Brady vs Manning over two seasons did I meet your goal of being rational? You are right about one thing. I am frustrated.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Now I'm rational. Thank you. After we argued for so long on Brady vs Manning over two seasons did I meet your goal of being rational? You are right about one thing. I am frustrated.

Like I said before, I thought you were wrong on Manning/Brady. I didn't think you were irrational.

I don't blame you for being frustrated.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Like I said before, I thought you were wrong on Manning/Brady. I didn't think you were irrational.

I don't blame you for being frustrated.

I was right on Brady/Manning GTrIpp. Maybe this thread was a little rash?

[Paintrain]

On the hierarchy of blame for this one, I'd put Campbell no higher than 4th or 5th..
D-Line-not getting any push in the running game
WR-Moss, catch the f'ing ball. The rest of you, get to the 1st down sticks. They were drive killers all night!
DB (Rogers)-Catch the f'ing ball
Campbell-He's thinking way too much, as to be expected at this stage of learning the offense but giving him the chances to throw the ball and get in a rhythm will help accelerate that.
OL-Too many breakdowns in protection

To put this loss on Campbell proves that you have no actual knowledge about football and are simply echoing the morons that always blame or praise the QB for the team's fortunes.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

To put this loss on Campbell proves that you have no actual knowledge about football and are simply echoing the morons that always blame or praise the QB for the team's fortunes.

Agreed, 100%. Campbell looked hesitant and slow last night, but in my mind, that probably has a lot to do with the new offense. I don't understand the need to write him off after one effing game. When he had time, he completed passes. He threw a beautiful ball that hit the "hard working" James Thrash in the hands and body, but he managed to drop a sure touchdown. If that pass is completed, the outlook of the game changes and I imagine this asinine, knee jerk reaction of a thread wouldn't exist, or at least would be much smaller.

[Stacks42]

All i can say is Run - Run - Pass. Great job Zorn. Run into the teeth of the defense. end up with a third and 5-6 and do a dump off pass for 4-5 yds.

Zorn Failed to seize the game when the momentum was going the skins way. Once again, as in the past 4 years, he played it conservative.

WHERE THE F-WAS COOOLEY. Alll i saw all game long was campbell looking right and throwing that way.

Someone tell me how this is different than the gibbs system where the skins try to overpower the D with an O that is clearly over matched.

Zorn's early West Coast Offense = Gibbs 3.0
In this league there is not time for a journeyman to lose 2-3 games, while learning how to coach and win.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Stacks42

All i can say is Run - Run - Pass. Great job Zorn. Run into the teeth of the defense. end up with a third and 5-6 and do a dump off pass for 4-5 yds.

Zorn Failed to seize the game when the momentum was going the skins way. Once again, as in the past 4 years, he played it conservative.

WHERE THE F-WAS COOOLEY. Alll i saw all game long was campbell looking right and throwing that way.

Someone tell me how this is different than the gibbs system where the skins try to overpower the D with an O that is clearly over matched.

Zorn's early West Coast Offense = Gibbs 3.0
In this league there is not time for a journeyman to lose 2-3 games, while learning how to coach and win.

The running late in the game was a joke. But we had to mix in the run just to try and give our defense some rest. One thing that was apparent was it takes us a gazillion plays just to go 30 yards.

[FRPLG]

Here's what I have noticed. Counting the parts of the pre-season games that had any relevance and this game we have seen several QBs who seem to drop back and get rid of the ball to the first guy on their read very often. It seems they are rather comfortable coming to the line, reading the D and then KNOWING where the best option is. JC does not have this. He seems to have a stone cold progression on every play that he dogmatically follows and invariably the first option isn't open. In this league if your first option isn't open and your line is pass blocking only adequately or worse then your are dead. I counted numerous times where there was a 3/4 option open that JC never got to.

We have to pass protect better to give him a achance to get to these reads.
We have to execute so everyone, most importantly JC, gains comfort so know what to do.
We HAVE TO HAVE TO HAVE TO run the ball with more aggression from our line. They need to start mauling. That will make it much easier for everyone to build a better comfort level.
We have to pray that JC's short comings right now are a result of ignorance and inexperience rather than an inate inability to execute this offense.

[GTripp0012]

I admire Zorn's patience by not forcing anything, and continuing to mix it up when we were trailing. All that is well and good, but we really, really to needed to go no-huddle with 4 minutes left.

Zorn did a great job managing the clock in the first half, so it's totally unfair to say he can't manage the clock after one game. But I'm not giving him a pass for the lack of urgency at the tail end of the 4th quarter. I don't see why it wouldn't improve though.

[Paintrain]

Did anyone expect Matt Hasselbeck to suddenly emerge in the #17 jersey? It took Hasselbeck 2 years to stop sucking in this offense AFTER he had already learned it in GB. Reality check people, the light may flicker for a while but it will eventually come on..

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Did anyone expect Matt Hasselbeck to suddenly emerge in the #17 jersey? It took Hasselbeck 2 years to stop sucking in this offense AFTER he had already learned it in GB. Reality check people, the light may flicker for a while but it will eventually come on..

So it would be totally unreasonable to expect any competance from Jason Campbell for another two years?