JC is not what I thought.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Man although i agree, you are really asking for it with this thread

That wasn't a joke. I'm not asking for jack. I'm asking for a QB that isn't a bitch.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

That wasn't a joke. I'm not asking for jack. I'm asking for a QB that isn't a bitch.

hmmm.. now that's what I call an insult!

[Beemnseven]

Here's the question you have to ask:

Are Campbell's problems related to learning a new offense, or is he regressing in key facets of game play that would show up in any offensive scheme? According to the sideline reporter from NBC tonight (can't think of her name), Zorn said Campbell "has to read the defense." This is Campbell's fourth season in the league and Zorn has to remind him to do that?

It doesn't help that the same group of offensive linemen from last season apparently have all forgotten how to pass block.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Here's the question you have to ask:

Are Campbell's problems related to learning a new offense, or is he regressing in key facets of game play that would show up in any offensive scheme? According to the sideline reporter from NBC tonight (can't think of her name), Zorn said Campbell "has to read the defense." This is Campbell's fourth season in the league and Zorn has to remind him to do that?

It doesn't help that the same group of offensive linemen from last season apparently have all forgotten how to pass block.

Thats what really has me scratching my head. Since his first year he still doesnt know how to read a defense, not stare down his primary receiver, still cant check down to any other receiver and generally doesnt make quick decisions getting guys the ball in stride the second they are open. Its alot to ask but a quality starting NFL quarterback needs to have this down pat.

Now throw in the WCO where a qb needs to read a D and make quick decisions and we are forcing a round peg into a square hole. I still want JC to excel and he has this year and next to step it up when his contract runs out.

go skins!!!

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Thats what really has me scratching my head. Since his first year he still doesnt know how to read a defense, not stare down his primary receiver, still cant check down to any other receiver and generally doesnt make quick decisions getting guys the ball in stride the second they are open. Its alot to ask but a quality starting NFL quarterback needs to have this down pat.

Now throw in the WCO where a qb needs to read a D and make quick decisions and we are forcing a round peg into a square hole. I still want JC to excel and he has this year and next to step it up when his contract runs out.

go skins!!!

I don't want to come across as a JC apologist, but a big part of those things (reading defense, not staring down receivers, checking down, making quick decisions) have to do with comfort in the offense. As last season progressed, we saw less and less of that as he grew comfortable in Saunders system. He TRUSTED that people would be where they were supposed to be so he didn't have to stare them down. You don't hear the criticisms from knowledgeable football analysts (Jaws, Aikman) saying Campbell doesn't read defenses well, that's a fan thing. They've all said he needs to be more comfortable and process things faster, AS DO ALL YOUNG QB. He's made fewer than 25 starts, look at his progression vs. others at a similar stage and the sky isn't falling as quickly as you think.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I don't want to come across as a JC apologist, but a big part of those things (reading defense, not staring down receivers, checking down, making quick decisions) have to do with comfort in the offense. As last season progressed, we saw less and less of that as he grew comfortable in Saunders system. He TRUSTED that people would be where they were supposed to be so he didn't have to stare them down. You don't hear the criticisms from knowledgeable football analysts (Jaws, Aikman) saying Campbell doesn't read defenses well, that's a fan thing. They've all said he needs to be more comfortable and process things faster, AS DO ALL YOUNG QB. He's made fewer than 25 starts, look at his progression vs. others at a similar stage and the sky isn't falling as quickly as you think.

Yeah i hear ya and im not saying the sky is falling; just saying in my fan opinion i dont see campbell exhibiting the necessary skills a quarterback needs to excel. My opinion isnt based on 1 game but from what ive seen from him since hes been here. Campbell is a good qb but until it starts to click in his head and he starts processing things faster (aka read a D pre-snap and make quick decisions) he wont be great and in this league you need a great qb to be a real threat.

Now if we didnt have a great core on D i would be running right next to chicken little!!

go skins!!!!

(ps i would be very disappointed if JC doesnt get to start the next 2 years)

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I don't want to come across as a JC apologist, but a big part of those things (reading defense, not staring down receivers, checking down, making quick decisions) have to do with comfort in the offense. As last season progressed, we saw less and less of that as he grew comfortable in Saunders system. He TRUSTED that people would be where they were supposed to be so he didn't have to stare them down. You don't hear the criticisms from knowledgeable football analysts (Jaws, Aikman) saying Campbell doesn't read defenses well, that's a fan thing. They've all said he needs to be more comfortable and process things faster, AS DO ALL YOUNG QB. He's made fewer than 25 starts, look at his progression vs. others at a similar stage and the sky isn't falling as quickly as you think.

Paintrain what does "process things faster" mean to you? To me it means being able to read a D scheme pre-snap, making adjustments/audibles if necessary then once the ball is snapped having the ability to check down to your second option if your primary guy is covered. My bad buddy but the fact that you dismiss my observations as a "fan thing" is alil arrogant on your part because you are no more an expert than I am. I like JC and have confidence in him, I just want to see him improve on these areas that many have been harping on aswell.

ps - zorn after the game also said JC locks onto his primary receiver too long, he must have read my email. lol

go skins!!!

[Redskin]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Here's the question you have to ask:

Are Campbell's problems related to learning a new offense, or is he regressing in key facets of game play that would show up in any offensive scheme? According to the sideline reporter from NBC tonight (can't think of her name), Zorn said Campbell "has to read the defense." This is Campbell's fourth season in the league and Zorn has to remind him to do that?

It doesn't help that the same group of offensive linemen from last season apparently have all forgotten how to pass block.

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Hey I love this team, but that was pitiful. That guy is ???????. Just my opinion, but that JC kid was pathetic with that QB play. The Giants knew it from the start.

Originally Posted by hesscl34

QBs are leaders. They lead the team.. he doesn't do that, period. He's a wimp that has no confidence. UGH!!! ...

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

You're right: Jason Campbell is regressing. We have a major problem at QB. He looked lost out there and held the ball way too long.

Originally Posted by mauiRedskinbarn

Put in collins, He spanked the giants 8 months ago, he won 4 in a row, he's still got momentum. He should be this teams captain, he can guide this team better than JC. Having him in is the best chance we have.

Just like in Arizona, sit the sucker, start the veteran

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[MTK]

Originally Posted by Redskin

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Just goes to show why you don't bench a guy after one freaking game.

Thank god the fans don't make personnel decisions.

[Redskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Just goes to show why you don't bench a guy after one freaking game.

Thank god the fans don't make personnel decisions.

Yep, and I am a kool aid sipper anyways

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

That wasn't a joke. I'm not asking for jack. I'm asking for a QB that isn't a bitch.

I haven't even watched the game yet(DVR'd), but isn't Week 1 just a bit early to be calling our starting QB a bitch. Have you ever lined up under center at any level....I doubt it.