Redskins vs. Giants Game Thread 9/4/08

[Coff]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Zorn can stick Colt when we're 0-4, ok? In the second half JC played better when the o-line gave him time and when the WRs weren't dropping the ball. That bomb that Moss missed was partly Moss' fault b/c he stopped. Moss also dropped a short pass, and when JC had time to pass there were no receivers open. I'm not saying JC was perfect, but he adjusted in the second half. Unfortunately we were behind and our 2:00 minute drill play calling sucks. The team needs to get its act together, but we shouldn't throw in the towel, that's just stupid.

Agreed. By what standards could anyone say Cambell had a bad game? 15 for 27, 133 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT's, and an 81.3 passer in his first game with a new offense against one of the nastiest defenses in the league? Cmon, if we're going to criticizing, how bout Cooley? Where was he tonight, except for when he was getting bowled over when blocking the rush? Perhaps his thoughts were on his next blog and how he's going to spend more of that big old signing bonus he wrote so much about.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by Coff

Agreed. By what standards could anyone say Cambell had a bad game? 15 for 27, 133 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT's, and an 81.3 passer in his first game with a new offense against one of the nastiest defenses in the league? Cmon, if we're going to criticizing, how bout Cooley? Where was he tonight, except for when he was getting bowled over when blocking the rush? Perhaps his thoughts were on his next blog and how he's going to spend more of that big old signing bonus he wrote so much about.

Are you serious?? I mean really?? Stand JC up next to any other NFL
QB out there right now and tell me how much better he is DURING GAME TIME, and screw the f*cking numbers. That first throw Portis was hanging there middle field wide open and he never even looked, not once did he turn his head.. he was just lookin for Moss.. never even turned left.. and I saw it all night long. Last drive Randal El was WIDE open and he chose to throw deep to moss and Randal El had a straight shot into th endzone. He didn't even look. If I were Zorn I'd be beating my head against a wall trying to figure out how the hell to bench his ass and now get fired.. what a f*cking mess!

OK.. now I'm going to bed.. God Help the Skins!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Are you serious?? I mean really?? Stand JC up next to any other NFL
QB out there right now and tell me how much better he is DURING GAME TIME, and screw the f*cking numbers. That first throw Portis was hanging there middle field wide open and he never even looked, not once did he turn his head.. he was just lookin for Moss.. never even turned left.. and I saw it all night long. Last drive Randal El was WIDE open and he chose to throw deep to moss and Randal El had a straight shot into th endzone. He didn't even look. If I were Zorn I'd be beating my head against a wall trying to figure out how the hell to bench his ass and now get fired.. what a f*cking mess!

OK.. now I'm going to bed.. God Help the Skins!

I'm sorry but you can't just pin the fault on a single person. For everytime JC f'ed there was a missed block by the o-line, receivers dropping the ball, and plays being negated by penalties. Gamecalling wasn't that great either. Honestly the only people that did well and helped us not get blown out of this game was the Defense (gave up only 16 pts even with so many 3 and outs by the offense), Brooks punting (how many punts were inside the 20?), and Portis who ran well (and should have ran some more). So people stop trying to pin this on JUST Campbell, this is a team and as a team they all bear the blame.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm sorry but you can't just pin the fault on a single person. For everytime JC f'ed there was a missed block by the o-line, receivers dropping the ball, and plays being negated by penalties. Gamecalling wasn't that great either. Honestly the only people that did well and helped us not get blown out of this game was the Defense (gave up only 16 pts even with so many 3 and outs by the offense), Brooks punting (how many punts were inside the 20?), and Portis who ran well (and should have ran some more). So people stop trying to pin this on JUST Campbell, this is a team and as a team they all bear the blame.

QBs set the tone, they run the offense.. he does NOT do that AT ALL. He sits and wonders and looks.. and then he throws.. You need a QB to lead and make plays and BE YOUR MAN. He's a sorry damn excuse for a QB.. ....

I'm obvioulsy not happy.. actually I'm PISSED. BENCH HIS ASS!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

QBs set the tone, they run the offense.. he does NOT do that AT ALL. He sits and wonders and looks.. and then he throws.. You need a QB to lead and make plays and BE YOUR MAN. He's a sorry damn excuse for a QB.. ....

I'm obvioulsy not happy.. actually I'm PISSED. BENCH HIS ASS!

Hess it's plain as day you just don't like JC. For what ever reason. It's seems personal with you. If you watched the damn game you'd realize that some of the time wr's were not open. Some of the stuff was on him cause he needs to learn to come off to his 2nd and 3rd guys. Some of the time our o-line was being killed. Other times the wr's were running 6 yard patterns when it's 3-8. Some of it is on the coaching cause they should've had him in shotgun. Even though JC needs to play better, tonight was certainly not 100% on JC. But I'm sure you just want to blame it all on him cause you just don't like the guy.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Hess it's plain as day you just don't like JC. For what ever reason. It's seems personal with you. If you watched the damn game you'd realize that some of the time wr's were not open. Some of the stuff was on him cause he needs to learn to come off to his 2nd and 3rd guys. Some of the time our o-line was being killed. Other times the wr's were running 6 yard patterns when it's 3-8. Some of it is on the coaching cause they should've had him in shotgun. Even though JC needs to play better, tonight was certainly not 100% on JC. But I'm sure you just want to blame it all on him cause you just don't like the guy.

You mean never, right?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

You mean never, right?

Pretty much.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Hess it's plain as day you just don't like JC. For what ever reason. It's seems personal with you. If you watched the damn game you'd realize that some of the time wr's were not open. Some of the stuff was on him cause he needs to learn to come off to his 2nd and 3rd guys. Some of the time our o-line was being killed. Other times the wr's were running 6 yard patterns when it's 3-8. Some of it is on the coaching cause they should've had him in shotgun. Even though JC needs to play better, tonight was certainly not 100% on JC. But I'm sure you just want to blame it all on him cause you just don't like the guy.

Give me a break. The only one that is taking this personal is the people that love JC and hate when I call him out. Why would it be personal for me? I don't know the guy.. and I all I want is for the Skins to win. I watch him play and he makes bad chioces. I see it time and again, and I watch every game. Other QBs have his issues with players and still seem to find a way to get that ball where it needs to be. If you all think JC is our guy, you have a VERY long road ahead.. a lot of loss and a lot of up and down BS games is what we have ahead of us. He just doesn't have what it takes to be a top QB in the NFL. You all don't like it, but that's what I see. It's not personal, it's just my opinion based on what I SEE. Football isn't personal, it's a game, a sport and something I love to watch. But it's a hell of a lot more fun to watch when we have a QB that knows what the heck to do!

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Give me a break. The only one that is taking this personal is the people that love JC and hate when I call him out. Why would it be personal for me? I don't know the guy.. and I all I want is for the Skins to win. I watch him play and he makes bad chioces. I see it time and again, and I watch every game. Other QBs have his issues with players and still seem to find a way to get that ball where it needs to be. If you all think JC is our guy, you have a VERY long road ahead.. a lot of loss and a lot of up and down BS games is what we have ahead of us. He just doesn't have what it takes to be a top QB in the NFL. You all don't like it, but that's what I see. It's not personal, it's just my opinion based on what I SEE. Football isn't personal, it's a game, a sport and something I love to watch. But it's a hell of a lot more fun to watch when we have a QB that knows what the heck to do!

Give JC a break, how many OC's has he had in the last 7 years? Would you rather start slow ass Collins (who would have been killed) or green as an apple Colt. Be realistic, JC is our one and only choice for this season.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Give me a break. The only one that is taking this personal is the people that love JC and hate when I call him out. Why would it be personal for me? I don't know the guy.. and I all I want is for the Skins to win. I watch him play and he makes bad chioces. I see it time and again, and I watch every game. Other QBs have his issues with players and still seem to find a way to get that ball where it needs to be. If you all think JC is our guy, you have a VERY long road ahead.. a lot of loss and a lot of up and down BS games is what we have ahead of us. He just doesn't have what it takes to be a top QB in the NFL. You all don't like it, but that's what I see. It's not personal, it's just my opinion based on what I SEE. Football isn't personal, it's a game, a sport and something I love to watch. But it's a hell of a lot more fun to watch when we have a QB that knows what the heck to do!

I'm not saying he's our guy and he needs to play better. But time after time after time you're just killing the guy when there are other people to blame. That shows me it's personal with you. He didn't play poorly last year or the year before. He's been about average. What were you expecting with a new coach, another new offense, a bad pass blocking line and wr's that are not all that good? Do you think he's good enough to carry us through all that against the Giants defense which shut down NE? Keep it real would you! As far as scoring points is concerned, our offense isn't that good, and it hasn't been the past several years.

In one of your other posts you're calling out Carlos R. but you have to realize that he's coming off a very serious injury and he really shouldn't even be out there. His type of injury takes 12 months to recover from and he's covering Plax. Buress one on one????? Sorry but you just can't ask him to do that. Springs should've been covering him but he couldn't play cause his calf hurt.

I don't have a problem with you calling people out. Just make sure you call out the right guys and have a reason behind it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm sorry but you can't just pin the fault on a single person. For everytime JC f'ed there was a missed block by the o-line, receivers dropping the ball, and plays being negated by penalties. Gamecalling wasn't that great either. Honestly the only people that did well and helped us not get blown out of this game was the Defense (gave up only 16 pts even with so many 3 and outs by the offense), Brooks punting (how many punts were inside the 20?), and Portis who ran well (and should have ran some more). So people stop trying to pin this on JUST Campbell, this is a team and as a team they all bear the blame.

Honestly the people that just blame JC don't know shit about football and it's typical knee jerk reaction. JC does deserve some blame cause he just doesn't seem to come off to his 2nd and 3rd wr yet. He doesn't seem to have good field vision yet. But he is going to need more time in this offense and everyone needs to be patient. He certainly doesn't have anyone like Plax. Burress to throw to. We have below average wr's and an average line. Plus why all the dink and dunk passes? WTF was that all about? Looked like the 06 offense to me.

As far as the defense, they stunk and Taylor either should not have been in there or he's simply not ready to play NFC East football. Both he and Carter were terrible tonight. And we really miss the presence of #21 and that position needs to be addressed next year. But regardless of how bad the defense played we only gave up 16 points on the road. This one is on the offense. Should have kept Al around for one more year!!