JC is not what I thought.

[Paintrain]

One more thought on Campbell, for his first 4 years he was taught by Gibbs to be cautious, cautious, cautious and don't take chances to turn the ball over. What we've heard from Zorn is that JC has to trust himself and cut the ball loose. He's got to overcome 4 years of one way of thinking in 6 months. It's going to take time to not only get comfortable in the WCO but also take time trusting himself to take the chances that he was coached against taking before.

After the 4th down checkdown to Betts at the end of the game, you can see Zorn telling him 'I don't care, you have to throw it.' On the replay you can see that he was trying to get it to Randle-El who was somewhat covered but was beyond the first down sticks. Basically he's got to give his WR a chance to make a play in that situation, but his 'instincts' have been taught for him not to throw that ball. One thing about WCO QB, they have good stats, but also can have some high INT numbers. He's got to get over the fear of the turnover with the expectation that more good will come than harm.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

One more thought on Campbell, for his first 4 years he was taught by Gibbs to be cautious, cautious, cautious and don't take chances to turn the ball over. What we've heard from Zorn is that JC has to trust himself and cut the ball loose. He's got to overcome 4 years of one way of thinking in 6 months. It's going to take time to not only get comfortable in the WCO but also take time trusting himself to take the chances that he was coached against taking before.

After the 4th down checkdown to Betts at the end of the game, you can see Zorn telling him 'I don't care, you have to throw it.' On the replay you can see that he was trying to get it to Randle-El who was somewhat covered but was beyond the first down sticks. Basically he's got to give his WR a chance to make a play in that situation, but his 'instincts' have been taught for him not to throw that ball. One thing about WCO QB, they have good stats, but also can have some high INT numbers. He's got to get over the fear of the turnover with the expectation that more good will come than harm.

I think that's a good point and Madden touched on it as well. Along with all the different offenses he's worked in, along with those offenses comes different philosophies and ways of doing things. It's going to take some time for JC to unlearn the way he's been doing things the last couple of years and buy in to what Zorn wants him to do.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think that's a good point and Madden touched on it as well. Along with all the different offenses he's worked in, along with those offenses comes different philosophies and ways of doing things. It's going to take some time for JC to unlearn the way he's been doing things the last couple of years and buy in to what Zorn wants him to do.

If this is the case, I think Zorn should take some blame for doing this to him. Zorn should be helping to build on what Gibbs/Lazor/Saunders were teaching, not tearing Campbell down to rebuild him again.

If it's the latter, it's much ado about nothing, and will only slow down his progression a bit before he reaches his prime.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

One more thought on Campbell, for his first 4 years he was taught by Gibbs to be cautious, cautious, cautious and don't take chances to turn the ball over. What we've heard from Zorn is that JC has to trust himself and cut the ball loose. He's got to overcome 4 years of one way of thinking in 6 months. It's going to take time to not only get comfortable in the WCO but also take time trusting himself to take the chances that he was coached against taking before.

After the 4th down checkdown to Betts at the end of the game, you can see Zorn telling him 'I don't care, you have to throw it.' On the replay you can see that he was trying to get it to Randle-El who was somewhat covered but was beyond the first down sticks. Basically he's got to give his WR a chance to make a play in that situation, but his 'instincts' have been taught for him not to throw that ball. One thing about WCO QB, they have good stats, but also can have some high INT numbers. He's got to get over the fear of the turnover with the expectation that more good will come than harm.

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. By that I mean that I don't think Campbell has to start throwing caution to the wind now to please Zorn. I'm sure Zorn isn't looking for a wholesale INT increase.

On 4th and 13, JC did what he could. Ultimately, the best chance to get the first down was to get the ball to Betts in space and ask him to break two tackles. There's a reason that 4th and 13 is a very low rate of conversion.

I'll buy the fearing the turnover argument (although I would argue that this is a good thing to have in the back of your mind), but I won't buy that the WCO has a higher INT rate than other systems. The traditional WCO is QB friendly: higher completion percentages, higher touchdown rate, lower intercepton rate -- all at the expense of the backs and receivers ability to make plays after the catch.

But then again, no one ever said we were going to a traditional WCO from Zorn

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

One more thought on Campbell, for his first 4 years he was taught by Gibbs to be cautious, cautious, cautious and don't take chances to turn the ball over. What we've heard from Zorn is that JC has to trust himself and cut the ball loose. He's got to overcome 4 years of one way of thinking in 6 months. It's going to take time to not only get comfortable in the WCO but also take time trusting himself to take the chances that he was coached against taking before.

After the 4th down checkdown to Betts at the end of the game, you can see Zorn telling him 'I don't care, you have to throw it.' On the replay you can see that he was trying to get it to Randle-El who was somewhat covered but was beyond the first down sticks. Basically he's got to give his WR a chance to make a play in that situation, but his 'instincts' have been taught for him not to throw that ball. One thing about WCO QB, they have good stats, but also can have some high INT numbers. He's got to get over the fear of the turnover with the expectation that more good will come than harm.

Very well said.