JC is not what I thought.

[prinzeofmoval]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

All have better o-lines and WR's other than the Eagles then us there is not comparing them to Jason.

How do you figure they have better recievers? Outside of Peyton who really does everybody has one good one with the rest being role players. O-Line you got me there.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

How do you figure they have better recievers? Outside of Peyton who really does everybody has one good one with the rest being role players. O-Line you got me there.

JC often looks lethargic like Eli. You really can't tell what he's thinking and you certainly don't see him getting excited when he misses an open receiver. I don't know where this team will be in two weeks, but Jason has to get it right in 10 days.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

How do you figure they have better recievers? Outside of Peyton who really does everybody has one good one with the rest being role players. O-Line you got me there.

GB- Jennings, Driver, Lee
NE- Moss & Welker
IND- Wayne, Harrison, Clark
DAL- Owens, Crayton & Witten

face it there better then our combination of WR's & TE that's why we drafted 2 WR's & a TE.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

I just got done watching the game (I love DVR). While I understand any loss is frustrating, you guys who are bashing JC and going down the "lacks intellect" & "can't read defenses" road are flat out wrong. Football is a team sport and while a QB can definitely lose a game by himself, that was not the case on Thursday.

I would challenge any of you bashing JC to sit down, watch an NFL game, and guess what coverage is being called on each play (BTW you won't have 300 lbers trying to rip your head off while doing it). I'll bet you won't make the correct call more than 40-50% of the time, less against Spags' defense. He's a very good DC who disguises coverages well.

For the most part JC made the right reads and decisions. He missed Cooley early (threw to Betts on the screen as Matty pointed out). He made a bad throw to Moss deep (underthrown). Other than that he looked solid in his decsion making. WRs needed to be smarter in finding the 1st down marker, penalties put us in 2nd-3rd and long several times. On those 3rd & longs don't you think a good DC is going to cover deep (rhetorical). Would you rather JC force the ball deep into coverage and turn it over?

Let's look at things realistically: JC didn't turn it over, we were in the game throughout, and in a new offense there will be penalties and missed assignments by all players, that needs to be correct by all. We faced one of the better defenses and top DCs in the NFL with a new HC and new offense. Did you guys expect us to put up 40? Things could've been different if we avoided penalties, if Thrash makes the catch at the end of the game, if Moss doesn't drop the ball on the slant late. Don't forget we have undersized WRs, that doesn't help when you want to create a physical mismatch to pressure the outside of the field.

JC has great potential and Zorn will bring it out. His development and the development of Thomas & Kelly will put is in good position gong forward into 2009. Unfortunately early-mid 2008 will be a challenge. If we manage 9-7 this season and show improvement in the offensive execution late in the season to me will it will be a successful one.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I just got done watching the game (I love DVR). While I understand any loss is frustrating, you guys who are bashing JC and going down the "lacks intellect" & "can't read defenses" road are flat out wrong. Football is a team sport and while a QB can definitely lose a game by himself, that was not the case on Thursday.

I would challenge any of you bashing JC to sit down, watch an NFL game, and guess what coverage is being called on each play (BTW you won't have 300 lbers trying to rip your head off while doing it). I'll bet you won't make the correct call more than 40-50% of the time, less against Spags' defense. He's a very good DC who disguises coverages well.

For the most part JC made the right reads and decisions. He missed Cooley early (threw to Betts on the screen as Matty pointed out). He made a bad throw to Moss deep (underthrown). Other than that he looked solid in his decsion making. WRs needed to be smarter in finding the 1st down marker, penalties put us in 2nd-3rd and long several times. On those 3rd & longs don't you think a good DC is going to cover deep (rhetorical). Would you rather JC force the ball deep into coverage and turn it over?

Let's look at things realistically: JC didn't turn it over, we were in the game throughout, and in a new offense there will be penalties and missed assignments by all players, that needs to be correct by all. We faced one of the better defenses and top DCs in the NFL with a new HC and new offense. Did you guys expect us to put up 40? Things could've been different if we avoided penalties, if Thrash makes the catch at the end of the game, if Moss doesn't drop the ball on the slant late. Don't forget we have undersized WRs, that doesn't help when you want to create a physical mismatch to pressure the outside of the field.

JC has great potential and Zorn will bring it out. His development and the development of Thomas & Kelly will put is in good position gong forward into 2009. Unfortunately early-mid 2008 will be a challenge. If we manage 9-7 this season and show improvement in the offensive execution late in the season to me will it will be a successful one.

Thanks for saying this. I can't agree with you anymore. It makes alot of difference when you have a DVR or Tivo. I rewind and watch the game over to see things to better evaluate. The first time you watch it live you might not catch everything. You might not see that the receivers are covered you dont take into account the penalties. You dont take account drop balls and how the defense is playing. JC couldn't get into a rhythm between the offside penalties..the drop balls. No separation from receivers..poor o-line play.. All that needs to be considered. He didn't throw INTs he didn't fumble and he didn't force anything. The team as a whole played bad. Also some bad play calling. So all the blame cannot go on JC.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I just got done watching the game (I love DVR). While I understand any loss is frustrating, you guys who are bashing JC and going down the "lacks intellect" & "can't read defenses" road are flat out wrong. Football is a team sport and while a QB can definitely lose a game by himself, that was not the case on Thursday.

I would challenge any of you bashing JC to sit down, watch an NFL game, and guess what coverage is being called on each play (BTW you won't have 300 lbers trying to rip your head off while doing it). I'll bet you won't make the correct call more than 40-50% of the time, less against Spags' defense. He's a very good DC who disguises coverages well.

For the most part JC made the right reads and decisions. He missed Cooley early (threw to Betts on the screen as Matty pointed out). He made a bad throw to Moss deep (underthrown). Other than that he looked solid in his decsion making. WRs needed to be smarter in finding the 1st down marker, penalties put us in 2nd-3rd and long several times. On those 3rd & longs don't you think a good DC is going to cover deep (rhetorical). Would you rather JC force the ball deep into coverage and turn it over?

Let's look at things realistically: JC didn't turn it over, we were in the game throughout, and in a new offense there will be penalties and missed assignments by all players, that needs to be correct by all. We faced one of the better defenses and top DCs in the NFL with a new HC and new offense. Did you guys expect us to put up 40? Things could've been different if we avoided penalties, if Thrash makes the catch at the end of the game, if Moss doesn't drop the ball on the slant late. Don't forget we have undersized WRs, that doesn't help when you want to create a physical mismatch to pressure the outside of the field.

JC has great potential and Zorn will bring it out. His development and the development of Thomas & Kelly will put is in good position gong forward into 2009. Unfortunately early-mid 2008 will be a challenge. If we manage 9-7 this season and show improvement in the offensive execution late in the season to me will it will be a successful one.

I think we need to cut and paste this response every time someone makes a "oh crap this team sucks", "JC sucks, put in Colt", or "we got blown out by the Giants" comment. Good points and very well thought out response.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Let's look at things realistically: JC didn't turn it over, we were in the game throughout, and in a new offense there will be penalties and missed assignments by all players, that needs to be correct by all. We faced one of the better defenses and top DCs in the NFL with a new HC and new offense. Did you guys expect us to put up 40? Things could've been different if we avoided penalties, if Thrash makes the catch at the end of the game, if Moss doesn't drop the ball on the slant late. Don't forget we have undersized WRs, that doesn't help when you want to create a physical mismatch to pressure the outside of the field.

JC has great potential and Zorn will bring it out. His development and the development of Thomas & Kelly will put is in good position gong forward into 2009. Unfortunately early-mid 2008 will be a challenge. If we manage 9-7 this season and show improvement in the offensive execution late in the season to me will it will be a successful one.

Very good points. It seems that people are expecting JC to be a finished product since he's entering his 4th season. The expectations were driven by Coach Gibbs saying this was a playoff team when he left. Well, maybe he was right if the continuity that Snyder espoused had really been the case, but bringing in a rookie head coach with a new offense is not continuity. So there was no opportunity on us to build from last year.

I thought JC was nervous early, but he made some solid throws. As for the underneath stuff on third down, I put the blame more on the receivers and the offense, the WCO is designed for short throws and yards after the catch. So its more the blame of the FO for bringing in a coach and system that doesn't play to the strength of the franchise qb we're trying to develop.

Its a rebuilding year, with a rookie head coach learning on the job. I don't think the record matters as much as seeing some progression. 1 game in, I'm not ready to say JC is anything but our quarterback. The obsession with Colt, well backup qbs always get love in DC. Brunell-Ramsey, Brunell-Campbell, heck even Schroeder-Williams and Schroeder-Rypien.

[Cowell]

Come on now? What are the realistic expectations? These guys are professional athletes... they get paid MILLIONS to play football and that's it. I know we can't win every game but we really can't even produce?
But someone please explain to me what realistic expectations are? Shouldn't we expect to win? Or at least have some production on offense?