Bugel asks Ramsey to show something

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by wbecker999

Ramsey will tear it up! Now that our offensive line has good protection schemes,and the running game is on track

Ramsey still has to prove he is over his bad habits.
Like....reading defenses poorly and forcing the ball into coverage...which in turn causes interceptions (see Giants game).
Holding on to the ball too long...which causes him to get sacked too much....which in turn causes fumbles.
He also needs to sense the pass rush around him. He is not good at side stepping a pass rusher. When he gets happy feet he ends up accidently running right into a sack, instead running away from one.

Also, what Joe Crisp said about not enough snaps/reps for Ramsey in practice to prove/show he is ready. There have been many Joe Gibbs backup QB's in his last tenure, who shined in practice running the scout team (by the way the scout team plays against our #1 ranked defense in practice), Stan Humphries, Mark Rypien, Jay Schroeder and Doug Williams to name a few. Gibbs brought in Doug Williams in the middle of the season when he got sick of Jay Schroeder making bad reads. Gibb's coaching staff have shown and proven they are more than willing to bring in a back up if they feel he is ready. They obvously feel Ramsey is not yet ready.

[NY_Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Ramsey still has to prove he is over his bad habits.
[B]Like....reading defenses poorly and forcing the ball into coverage...which in turn causes interceptions (see Giants game).
Holding on to the ball too long...which causes him to get sacked too much....which in turn causes fumbles.
He also needs to sense the pass rush around him. He is not good at side stepping a pass rusher. When he gets happy feet he ends up accidently running right into a sack, instead running away from one.

I have to disagree that with some of what you said. One of Ramsey's interceptions that game (Giants) was thrown toward Coles who didn't seem to cut inside...It looked as if Coles broke off the route. Ramsey placed the ball where it was supposed to be. That's not his fault. I will give you the one interception, I think it was the last one of the game. There didn't seem to be a receiver around...That was a poor play. But, the game was almost over and he was trying to force a pass deep. If Gardner hadn't dropped an earlier touchdown I don't think that pass would have ever been thrown.

You also have to remember that he had a very porous offensive line last year. A lot of the sacks from last year he couldn't avoid...After all he isn't Michael Vick.

Can you please give me some examples of when Ramsey gets his "happy feet" and runs into a sack rather than away from it? I seem to be forgetting any of those plays but by the way you said it, it sounded like it happened ofter.
I find it hard to believe that he has a tendency to run into a sack.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by NY_Skinsfan

I have to disagree that with some of what you said. One of Ramsey's interceptions that game (Giants) was thrown toward Coles who didn't seem to cut inside...It looked as if Coles broke off the route. Ramsey placed the ball where it was supposed to be. That's not his fault. I will give you the one interception, I think it was the last one of the game. There didn't seem to be a receiver around...That was a poor play. But, the game was almost over and he was trying to force a pass deep. If Gardner hadn't dropped an earlier touchdown I don't think that pass would have ever been thrown.

You also have to remember that he had a very porous offensive line last year. A lot of the sacks from last year he couldn't avoid...After all he isn't Michael Vick.

Can you please give me some examples of when Ramsey gets his "happy feet" and runs into a sack rather than away from it? I seem to be forgetting any of those plays but by the way you said it, it sounded like it happened ofter.
I find it hard to believe that he has a tendency to run into a sack.

Ramsey was responsible for all three INT's against Giants. The first one was an out route to Coles in the corner of the endzone. Ramsey underthrew the ball into Brent Alexander's hands. Last year he missed (overthrown) the same passing route to Coles which would have tied the game against Philly. The second INT, I was at the 50 yard line and could clearly see that Ramsey didn't wait for Coles to separate, he just threw the ball without taking into consideration that Coles was well covered. The Last TD was the worst. Ramsey scrambled to his right and underthrew to Gardner with double coverage at least 10 yds behind Gardner. He wasn't even close. Now if you think that wasn't a reflection of the way Ramsey played during the preseason with the inconsistent play, overthrown balls and a lack of moblility on a second string team, then I don't know what we expect from Gibbs. Gibbs is not going to accept turnovers so Brunell is his best option right now.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by NY_Skinsfan

I have to disagree that with some of what you said. One of Ramsey's interceptions that game (Giants) was thrown toward Coles who didn't seem to cut inside...It looked as if Coles broke off the route. Ramsey placed the ball where it was supposed to be. That's not his fault. I will give you the one interception, I think it was the last one of the game. There didn't seem to be a receiver around...That was a poor play. But, the game was almost over and he was trying to force a pass deep. If Gardner hadn't dropped an earlier touchdown I don't think that pass would have ever been thrown.

You also have to remember that he had a very porous offensive line last year. A lot of the sacks from last year he couldn't avoid...After all he isn't Michael Vick.

Can you please give me some examples of when Ramsey gets his "happy feet" and runs into a sack rather than away from it? I seem to be forgetting any of those plays but by the way you said it, it sounded like it happened ofter.
I find it hard to believe that he has a tendency to run into a sack.

I am not talking about accuracy or the reciever being in the right place, that kind of thing is bound to happen.
I am talking about not throwing into double or triple coverage; looking off safeties; throwing to the open man (even if it is the short dump off) instead of trying to force a pass to a well covered man.
Regarding avoiding the rush, it is not fair to Ramsey to use Tom Brady as an example, but...Tom Brady is just as slow a foot as Ramsey, but Brady senses when he has been holding the ball too long and seems to feel a pass rusher coming close to him. He does a better job of eluding them, while Ramsey sometimes seems like a sitting duck.
Also, I heard a reporter (I forget his name) mention that Ramsey was sacked alot in college as well. Seems like Ramsey's getting sacked alot is not something new to him, might be from him holding the ball to long.
Also during a Redskins game this season or preseason the commentator brought up the stat that Ramsey has the most (percentage wise) passes kncked down at the line than any other active starting Qb in the league; that has thrown a certain minimum of passes.
Some of it is the O-lines fault, but all QB's in the NFL have little time to throw and get pressured. Ramsey needs to stop tempting fate and make up his mind sooner and throw it or throw it away.
I have said this alot but Ramsey reminds me alot of Drew Blesoe, great arm but gets sacked alot.