Horton Wins NFC Defensive Player of the Week

[Ruhskins]

The way people talk about Reed Doughty and how "bad" he has played, it makes me think that the expectations of him are that of a superstar, when I have always said that Doughty is an average player. Doughty should lose his job either because his performance drops and/or because Horton outperforms hims after a number of games. Doughty should not lose his job b/c he caught a f'ing stomach virus. Rookies are going to perform well in one game, and as Blache would say it can break your heart the next. I don't think the team is going to risk that with the type of passing game that we're going to face this Sunday.

That being said, I tried to find some way to measure RD's performance, and all I could find was # of tackles (since there are some claims that he can't tackle). In seven games (from Wk 13 of last season to this season's Wk 1 game against the Giants) here are RDs tackle stats:

Total Tkls: 45; Total Solo Tkls: 29; Total Ast Tkls: 16; Pass Def: 2
Avg Tkls/Game: 6.4; Avg Solo Tkls/Game: 29
Best Performance (Wk 15 vs. NYG): 11 Tkls, 7 Solo, 1 Pass Def
Worst Performance (Wk 16 @ MIN): 2 Tkls, 1 Solo, 0 Pass Def
Last Performance: 6 Tkls, 4 Solo, 0 Pass Def

Based on just number of tackles, RD's numbers are higher than other Free Safeties in the division . His two pass defended were comparable to other safeties in the division, save for Hamlin of the Cowpokes who had a significant higher number of PDs.

No one is taking away from Horton's performance and potential. We are lucky to have such a good young player. However, stop making arguments that Horton should start after just one game. He needs to develop this season, and could be a starter at the end of the season. But just don't call for a change in roster just b/c of a stomach virus.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The way people talk about Reed Doughty and how "bad" he has played, it makes me think that the expectations of him are that of a superstar, when I have always said that Doughty is an average player. Doughty should lose his job either because his performance drops and/or because Horton outperforms hims after a number of games. Doughty should not lose his job b/c he caught a f'ing stomach virus. Rookies are going to perform well in one game, and as Blache would say it can break your heart the next. I don't think the team is going to risk that with the type of passing game that we're going to face this Sunday.

That being said, I tried to find some way to measure RD's performance, and all I could find was # of tackles (since there are some claims that he can't tackle). In seven games (from Wk 13 of last season to this season's Wk 1 game against the Giants) here are RDs tackle stats:

Total Tkls: 45; Total Solo Tkls: 29; Total Ast Tkls: 16; Pass Def: 2
Avg Tkls/Game: 6.4; Avg Solo Tkls/Game: 29
Best Performance (Wk 15 vs. NYG): 11 Tkls, 7 Solo, 1 Pass Def
Worst Performance (Wk 16 @ MIN): 2 Tkls, 1 Solo, 0 Pass Def
Last Performance: 6 Tkls, 4 Solo, 0 Pass Def

Based on just number of tackles, RD's numbers are higher than other Free Safeties in the division . His two pass defended were comparable to other safeties in the division, save for Hamlin of the Cowpokes who had a significant higher number of PDs.

No one is taking away from Horton's performance and potential. We are lucky to have such a good young player. However, stop making arguments that Horton should start after just one game. He needs to develop this season, and could be a starter at the end of the season. But just don't call for a change in roster just b/c of a stomach virus.

Dude I don't give a damn about freakin stats. He has done Nothing to deserve to start PERIOD. Doughty's playing SS not FS so these stats wouldn't be as high if he play SS. Horton made more plays in 1 game then Doughty (according to your stats) made last season. Teams don't Fear Doughty and he's worse in the pass than Horton is. He's slow, he can't hit, can't cover and does'nt make plays BUT that is what you get in Reed Doughty. Its called tough luck when you have a stomach vrus and someone does beter than you in 1 game then RD has done in his NFL career. So Yes Horton deserves to start against the Cards.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by vallin21

Dude I don't give a damn about freakin stats. He has done Nothing to deserve to start PERIOD. Doughty's playing SS not FS so these stats wouldn't be as high if he play SS. Horton made more plays in 1 game then Doughty (according to your stats) made last season. Teams don't Fear Doughty and he's worse in the pass than Horton is. He's slow, he can't hit, can't cover and does'nt make plays BUT that is what you get in Reed Doughty. Its called tough luck when you have a stomach vrus and someone does beter than you in 1 game then RD has done in his NFL career. So Yes Horton deserves to start against the Cards.

Because of 1 game? Even if he doesn't know his responsiblities as well as RD? Zorn said it himself, RD knows the D well enough to help get people lined up correctly and makes the right coverage calls in the secondary. I am not comfortable right now leaving all of that on a rookie. Lets give him some more time. Maybe he starts by the end of the season but he just hasn't earned it yet. The coaching staff was strongly considering mixing up the whole scheme because they were not sure of CH. They talked about Springs moving back and even switching LL. They decided to leave everybody in their original spot and give Horton help. We don't know how much help he was given either. It may be possible that he was lining up wrong on a few plays? They obviously feel more confident in RD and I agree, at least right now.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

Because of 1 game? Even if he doesn't know his responsiblities as well as RD? Zorn said it himself, RD knows the D well enough to help get people lined up correctly and makes the right coverage calls in the secondary. I am not comfortable right now leaving all of that on a rookie. Lets give him some more time. Maybe he starts by the end of the season but he just hasn't earned it yet. The coaching staff was strongly considering mixing up the whole scheme because they were not sure of CH. They talked about Springs moving back and even switching LL. They decided to leave everybody in their original spot and give Horton help. We don't know how much help he was given either. It may be possible that he was lining up wrong on a few plays? They obviously feel more confident in RD and I agree, at least right now.

Agreed.

(sorry I haven't had a chance to write you back. I will soon, hope you're doing well)

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by vallin21

Dude I don't give a damn about freakin stats. He has done Nothing to deserve to start PERIOD. Doughty's playing SS not FS so these stats wouldn't be as high if he play SS. Horton made more plays in 1 game then Doughty (according to your stats) made last season. Teams don't Fear Doughty and he's worse in the pass than Horton is. He's slow, he can't hit, can't cover and does'nt make plays BUT that is what you get in Reed Doughty. Its called tough luck when you have a stomach vrus and someone does beter than you in 1 game then RD has done in his NFL career. So Yes Horton deserves to start against the Cards.

Well so much for this being the site for the knowledgeable fan. Well allow me to make a somewhat intelligent rebuttal (sp?):

Doughty is listed as a FS in the ESPN website, so I went by that.

You say that Doughty is worse than Horton in the pass coverage, so you are implying that Horton is not good in pass coverage and yet you want him to start? I was curious to find out in the past couple of games how much have teams throw in the direction of Doughty (but then I remember that you don't give a damn about stats). So if Doughty is not good in pass coverage (according to you) and Horton isn't, then why start Horton?

Doughty came and replaced Sean Taylor last year, so yeah teams are not going to fear Doughty if you compare him to ST. Now do you think that Horton will strike fear in other teams? I mean did you see how much Santana Moss burned the Saints' rookie CB? Don't forget that Horton's INTs were tipped passes, which speaks to his ability of catching the ball and being alert, but it is not like he made a play.

Well luckily neither you nor I are NFL coaches or the defensive coordinator for the Redskins. There's more than just having a good performance in a game, and that is being consistent in your play, having experience, and knowing the system.

I am glad we have quality depth at the safety position, and a player like Horton is a great asset to have in the defense. He will see lots of playing time, and will be a starter in the future. I just hate when people are willing to throw players in the team that we root for under the bus for stupid reasons.

[RMSkins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well so much for this being the site for the knowledgeable fan. Well allow me to make a somewhat intelligent rebuttal (sp?):

Doughty is listed as a FS in the ESPN website, so I went by that.

You say that Doughty is worse than Horton in the pass coverage, so you are implying that Horton is not good in pass coverage and yet you want him to start? I was curious to find out in the past couple of games how much have teams throw in the direction of Doughty (but then I remember that you don't give a damn about stats). So if Doughty is not good in pass coverage (according to you) and Horton isn't, then why start Horton?

Doughty came and replaced Sean Taylor last year, so yeah teams are not going to fear Doughty if you compare him to ST. Now do you think that Horton will strike fear in other teams? I mean did you see how much Santana Moss burned the Saints' rookie CB? Don't forget that Horton's INTs were tipped passes, which speaks to his ability of catching the ball and being alert, but it is not like he made a play.

Well luckily neither you nor I are NFL coaches or the defensive coordinator for the Redskins. There's more than just having a good performance in a game, and that is being consistent in your play, having experience, and knowing the system.

I am glad we have quality depth at the safety position, and a player like Horton is a great asset to have in the defense. He will see lots of playing time, and will be a starter in the future. I just hate when people are willing to throw players in the team that we root for under the bus for stupid reasons.

I'm sorry, but I can't stand when people say that Reed Doughty replaced Sean Taylor last year. Doughty didn't replace Taylor, LaRon Landry replaced Taylor by moving to the FS position. Essentially Doughty replaced Landry at SS.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by RMSkins

I'm sorry, but I can't stand when people say that Reed Doughty replaced Sean Taylor last year. Doughty didn't replace Taylor, LaRon Landry replaced Taylor by moving to the FS position. Essentially Doughty replaced Landry at SS.

You are correct and my apologies for incorrectly stating that Doughty replaced Taylor. However, the point that I was making still applies...of course you can say that Doughty is not going to strike fear in any team, because Doughty is not a superstart player like Landry.