F... Josh Howard

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

You are right saden, we don't live in a fascist state. And we also don't live in a country where we have a military goose stepping through Main St. snatching people out of their houses, and putting them into box cars, and shipped off to a concentration camp just because somone didn't know proper Anthem Code.


But, Obama looked border-line defiant standing there during the National Anthem with his hands folded, while the other candidates were doing the right thing. Say what you want saden, but Barry has a deep seeded resentment for this country. But, don't blame him, he got most of his influence from his spirtual mentor of 20 years, Rev. Wright.

You know, you're absolutely right, I don't know why but you are right. I tell you what though, he isn't as bad as me. I hold my crotch while the anthem plays...I wonder what they would say about me if I were running for office.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by saden1

You know, you're absolutely right, I don't know why but you are right. I tell you what though, he isn't as bad as me. I hold my crotch while the anthem plays...I wonder what they would say about me if I were running for office.

This whole Obama-Hand-Heart incident is not even newsworthy; these type of issues should be reserved for those lame e-mails that extremists in both parties resort to. But, why would you even joke about holding your crotch when the anthem plays? It's one thing to fail to go through the motions of pretending to care about the flag. It's quite another thing to essentially piss on it.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

This whole Obama-Hand-Heart incident is not even newsworthy; these type of issues should be reserved for those lame e-mails that extremists in both parties resort to. But, why would you even joke about holding your crotch when the anthem plays? It's one thing to fail to go through the motions of pretending to care about the flag. It's quite another thing to essentially piss on it.

You make it sound as if I shot Mother Teresa. Folks need to lighten up. With respect to flags in general, I don't believe they have or should have as much weight as people give them though I wouldn't "piss" on them.

To be frank, when I see the American flag I don't feel anything, it's just another flag, like that of the Chines and the Russians. When I read our constitution, however, I feel joy, proud and appreciative. Point is flags are not as important as ideas and people shouldn't get their panties twisted in a bunch over them.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

To be frank, when I see the American flag I don't feel anything, it's just another flag, like that of the Chines and the Russians. When I read our constitution, however, I feel joy, proud and appreciative. Point is flags are not as important as ideas and people shouldn't get their panties twisted in a bunch over them.

I know you were just responding to usmc and you wouldn't hold your crotch during the national anthem. But, keep in mind that whatever your politics, that flag has draped the coffins of thousand of U.S. soldiers, sailors and airmen who have fought and died for this country. A vast majority of them were volunteers. It drapes the coffin of most veterans when they pass away and will drape mine. The U.S. Flag symbolizes the ideas and people of this country.

Wonderful Life - Flag Poem

American Flag Poem - "I Am the Flag of the U.S.A."

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I know you were just responding to usmc and you wouldn't hold your crotch during the national anthem. But, keep in mind that whatever your politics, that flag has draped the coffins of thousand of U.S. soldiers, sailors and airmen who have fought and died for this country. A vast majority of them were volunteers. It drapes the coffin of most veterans when they pass away and will drape mine. The U.S. Flag symbolizes the ideas and people of this country.

Wonderful Life - Flag Poem

American Flag Poem - "I Am the Flag of the U.S.A."

I understand and I respect your position. It is my belief however that soldiers didn't die for the flag and the flag should not represent ideas or people. People and ideas speak for themselves. Truth is nations evolve and people evolve for better or worse but flags do not (unless there's a fundamental change in a nation ala revolution). If in the future, for example, we become tyrannical like Nazi Germany our flag would no longer represent the ideas and ideals of people in the past or present.

All I'm saying is don't put too much stock in flags and lapel pins. They are not that important.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by saden1

You make it sound as if I shot Mother Teresa. Folks need to lighten up. With respect to flags in general, I don't believe they have or should have as much weight as people give them though I wouldn't "piss" on them.

To be frank, when I see the American flag I don't feel anything, it's just another flag, like that of the Chines and the Russians. When I read our constitution, however, I feel joy, proud and appreciative. Point is flags are not as important as ideas and people shouldn't get their panties twisted in a bunch over them.

I feel differently, but I don't feel everyone has to agree with me. Fair enough.

[4mrusmc]

Originally Posted by saden1

You make it sound as if I shot Mother Teresa. Folks need to lighten up. With respect to flags in general, I don't believe they have or should have as much weight as people give them though I wouldn't "piss" on them.

To be frank, when I see the American flag I don't feel anything, it's just another flag, like that of the Chines and the Russians. When I read our constitution, however, I feel joy, proud and appreciative. Point is flags are not as important as ideas and people shouldn't get their panties twisted in a bunch over them.

Saden, I really like what you have contributed to The Warpath over the years when we have had discusions about our beloved Redskins. But pal, you have really disappointed me with some of the things that you have posted about in this thread. I assume that you were joking when you said that you hold your crotch when you hear the National Anthem. I don't really know what you were trying to accomplish by saying such idiotic things, but that statement did nothing constructive to help describe your defense for yourself or for J. Howard.

As a person who proudly wore a uniform in the U.S. Marine Corps, I look at the flag and this country alot deferently than you. Even though that you think you were being funny or cute when you said that you grabbed your crotch during the National Anthem, I most certainly did not. I think it is truly sad that you feel that way and that you feel comfortable even saying things like that. It really comes across as you being a smart-ass, and I know that you are way smarter than that. I'm sure that you and others would call me out for saying anything like racially insensitive, and I would expect that. I also expected you to choose a better way to make your point than that.

I'm sure that you and I could go to FedEx, and stand next to each other, and cheer on our Skins and never know about where we stand on the politcal spectrum. But to me, it's God and country first, and always.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

Saden, I really like what you have contributed to The Warpath over years when we have had discusions about our beloved Redskins. But pal, you have really disapointed me with some of the things that you have posted about in this thread. I assume that you were joking when you said that you hold your crotch when you hear the National Anthem. I don't really know what you were trying to accomplish by saying such idiotic things, but that statement did nothing constructive to help describe your defense for yourself or for J. Howard.

As a person who proudly wore a uniform in the U.S. Marine Corps, I look at the flag and this country alot deferently than you. Even though that you think you were being funny or cute when you said that you grabbed your crotch during the National Anthem, I most certainly did not. I think it is truly sad that you feel that way and that you feel comfortable even saying things like that. I really comes across as you being a smart-ass, and I know that you are way smarter than that. I'm sure that you and others would call me out for saying anything like racially insensitive, and I would expect that. I also expected you to choose a better way to make your point than that.

I'm sure that you and I could go to Fedex, and stand next to each other, and cheer on our Skins and never know about were we stand on the politcal spectrum. But to me, it's God and country first, and always.

Nice post. Though, in a strange sense, you could feel pride that the tremendous efforts and sacrifices you've made for this country have allowed saden to feel comfortable enough to make such comments.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

Saden, I really like what you have contributed to The Warpath over years when we have had discusions about our beloved Redskins. But pal, you have really disapointed me with some of the things that you have posted about in this thread. I assume that you were joking when you said that you hold your crotch when you hear the National Anthem. I don't really know what you were trying to accomplish by saying such idiotic things, but that statement did nothing constructive to help describe your defense for yourself or for J. Howard.

As a person who proudly wore a uniform in the U.S. Marine Corps, I look at the flag and this country alot deferently than you. Even though that you think you were being funny or cute when you said that you grabbed your crotch during the National Anthem, I most certainly did not. I think it is truly sad that you feel that way and that you feel comfortable even saying things like that. I really comes across as you being a smart-ass, and I know that you are way smarter than that. I'm sure that you and others would call me out for saying anything like racially insensitive, and I would expect that. I also expected you to choose a better way to make your point than that.

I'm sure that you and I could go to Fedex, and stand next to each other, and cheer on our Skins and never know about were we stand on the politcal spectrum. But to me, it's God and country first, and always.

I'll admit it, the joke was in bad taste. I'm sorry you were offended and rest assure I don't grab my crotch during the national anthem. I think people take the flag issue way way way too seriously. I find it offensive that one's patriotism hinges on flag and lapel pin issues. To be frank it's as if I live Stalin's USSR and Hitler's Germany, and Mussolini's Italy. I am frustrated with with all this flag talk.

[4mrusmc]

Originally Posted by saden1

I'll admit it, the joke was in bad taste. I'm sorry you were offended and rest assure I don't grab my crotch during the national anthem. I think people take the flag issue way way way too seriously. I find it offensive that one's patriotism hinges on flag and lapel pin issues. To be frank it's as if I live Stalin's USSR and Hitler's Germany, and Mussolini's Italy. I am frustrated with with all this flag talk.

It's all good bro, and I apologize for some of the grammar mistakes in my last post. I kinda threw that post together in about 5 minutes, and I didn't bother to proof read. I have since done an edit.

This country is by far nothing like the USSR, Germany, and Italy. We are a country of diverse people with broad and ranging views of how we would like to live as a people. And that is what makes us as a nation so freaking great.

But the gist of what I've been trying to get across is this. People like J. Howard who have no respect for the National Anthem, and from what I have seen from Obama, I have very great concerns from their behavior that has been on display.

While I may look at the flag differently than you, that's okay. Just don't be disrespectful. Also, just ask any widow, widower, or any family member that has lost a loved one, what that folded-up flag in the shape of a triangle means to them, and maybe, just maybe you will have a change of heart.

But at the end of the day, you and I are Americans, and I have got your back. Saden, you and I are down like four flat tires because we are Redskins fans too. Peace?